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Yes, bytes.
This is unformatted output in valuefield in v01 version.
Last is v03 i think.
Ok, Iāll do the update!
I am proud of all of you who have submitted a track so far. Youāve all done splendid stuff with the limitations.
@corb oh, that is an excellent track. I like the bass sound. The stereo imaging feels weird, not a bad kind of weird, just different. I like how you switch things up after the breakdown. Neat stuff!
@highway_rehab I am surprised at the beautiful sounds youāve managed to squeeze into 1.4mb. Lovely stuff, very diverse.
@t35513r big sounds and long, lingering melancholic notes. Thatās my kind cup of tea alright! That last part is going pretty Venetian Snares on us, very nice!!
@Lneheb That is some neat sound youāve got there. It does indeed feel like the earth is shifting and moving, telling a story. Cool!
@slur I didnāt have the impression that your track needed much fixing. But this sounds great! There is a sound in there that feels to me like a monkey ooh, ooh-ing at me. Probably a space monkey by the sound of it. Trippy stuff, well done sir!
Tomorrow is the deadline. I was gonna remind everyone last week but I didnāt. So Iām extending the deadline by a week. Just in case someone is still working on this. Or wants to join, youāve got a week. Go for it!
New deadline:
Sunday February 11th, 2024 Hawaii Standard Time.
Iām impressed by the tracks posted here, very nice!
Here is my entry, around 86 % :
Iāve made this track in a simple way, with not too long samples, and downsampled and shortened again the samples to fit the size (from 450% to 86%).
MBC16-MAKEAWISH-Space_Travelers.xrns (541.9 KB)
That is a lovely little tune @fabrice! Giving me strong Daft Punk vibes. Especially due to the dark, lo-fi sound. Thatās totally something the would use for passages. So I was kind of half expecting your tune to open up in a similar way. Just cranking up an EQ and the exciter, so to say. Think it would benefit from that. Musically this is really sweet though. Well done indeed!
Yeah true I was blocked for a better rendering. Quite hesitating on the EQ and things like that.
Iām all ears open for advices. Maybe Iāll make another try but I also like this simple sounding.
How come youāre hesitating on using the EQ.
I did a really quick and dirty āremasterā. Did a little bit of automation, turning it on/off to flow with the tune. But didnāt spend any time tweaking the settings. First impression is good enough to get my point across. Have a listen, I think it sounds a lot more lively this way. But thatās just my opinion, of course. How do you feel about what I did to your track?
MBC16-MAKEAWISH-Space_Travelers-RM.xrns (543.1 KB)
Ah yes, interresting!
Iāll make a try, dealing with these parameters soon.
I would remove the global exciter, a bit too much for my taste, but the EQ make the sound more clear for sure. Global stereo expansion work nice for this case with samples only and maximizer seems going good too. Ok ok letās learn a bit.
Yeah, the exciter if definitely way too present right now. But like I said, it was more to get the point across than to do a proper mastering job. Iām looking forward to hear what youāll do with it!
Alrightā¦
5:59 minutes.
99.99993218136% full.
literally a single byte to spare lol.
ā¦and im still not entirely happy with it lol. but was fun! Thats what matters. I loved the idea, and loved making this track. Also loving all of yours. learned some things, as well.
I used some samples from a resource pack found on the renoise forums. one sample from a educational video about nuclear fallout. baked some stuff into pies, and I also sampled a fractal.
thereās more info in the song comments describing each instrument.
An idea for another thread: āMix my songā.
Iāve made a quick mix for you, check this out:
MAKEAWISH-Space_Travelers MbT.xrns (546.3 KB)
Thereās no native monoizer in Renoise, so the low ends are still stereo. But besides of that itās much better in terms of balance and clearness in comparison to the original mix imho.
I think youāve chosen the sounds already that good that it barely needs any eqing. Maybe I would only kind of ālimitingā the frequency range of the lead and basses, like so (lead):
So a still a wide area, only removing a tad of not required frequencies, and then compensating with a bit more gain then. Your leads certainly would shine more then, but without any resonances or phase issues (a 12dB shelve filter does not alter the phase at all, while highpass filters do, and since you are layering a lot I would assume the keeping the phase is very important here). And the layered bass could sound a bit less muddy. Cutting off the unnecessary parts works very well while listening in mono, since there you only have the frequency range (y-axis) to place sounds.
At the same time, again, I find your mix very good already, and it is also part of the style the you mash up wide frequency layers like this. If you somehow would put also a limiter on master and maybe on d+b bus, or doing a bit of low frequency ducking on the bass while the kick is playingā¦ Such technics would give you more loudness, and ducking also can make it sound more dynamical, which I think always sounds better. Also full band limiters of course first limit the bass range, since bass has way more energy.
But what do I know, very nice tunes here again. Very interesting to listen to and see how you work. Thanks for sharing.
Actually maybe I do not remember correctly which filter type will affect the phase and which one not, or lessā¦ At least the 12db shelves in Renoise eq seem to be minimal invasive, but maybe a wide butterworth bandpass would work, too?
@TNT Very interesting! Sounds really different from the original, super clear with punch. Not far from a remix at this point! A remaster for sure.
There is so many layers beside of the master track! Iāll took the time to see.
Yes ^^ But itās possible here because itās all native with no VST so itās super easy to share files.
@ffx Thanks for explanations, Iāll check the frequencies. Probably Iāll remove some too low frequencies. Also I wonāt change all the sounding at this point, anyway donāt have the time. ^^ Iām okay with the global mix, but need just a bit of more punch and clearness. Iāll do some tests.
Thanks everyone! Now letās wonāt flood the tread with all mastering discutions. Iāll see what I can do with all advices for a remaster!
Looking forward to other entries!
Yeah, thereās a thread for mixing and mastering questions, no need to discuss it here.
But itās not a remix, itās just a mix. Your mix was almost good, you just need to cut the low ends in every track except the desired bassy parts like kick and bass, cut the treble at 10000 Hz to avoid harshness when turning up the volume and separate the instruments a little more. And never ever cut all the low ends in terms of a bass. Iāve noticed a slight crackle in my mix at the beginning when the chords begin to play, thatās because the lower mids of those chords arenāt perfectly aligned yet. As I said, quick mix. So thereās some work left to do.
It looks more than it actually is. Itās just the parallel processing stuff, in this case with native Renoise devices. That gives the sound more depth, āwhoompā and a better balance. You also gotta check the sends in the instrument tracks. In case you want to know more or if thereās a question, letās switch to the mixing thread.
Just a quick overview and explanation:
From left to right:
- Reverb
- Bass Compressor
- Drum Bus
- Drum Compressor (NY Compression)
- Instrument Bus
- Rear Bus Left
- Rear Bus Right
- Mid
- Side
- Low Frequencies (coming from Side)
- Mid Frequencies (coming from Side)
- High Frequencies (coming from Side)
Maybe just forget what I wrote above, might be nonsense, too
Yes, keep it like that. I tried a bit with shelves, but couldnāt mix it better then, as it looses those nice dynamics in the low end:
MBC16-MAKEAWISH-Space_Travelers-shelves-only.xrns (543.3 KB)