5:59 minutes.
99.99993218136% full.
literally a single byte to spare lol.
…and im still not entirely happy with it lol. but was fun! Thats what matters. I loved the idea, and loved making this track. Also loving all of yours. learned some things, as well.
I used some samples from a resource pack found on the renoise forums. one sample from a educational video about nuclear fallout. baked some stuff into pies, and I also sampled a fractal.
there’s more info in the song comments describing each instrument.
I’ve made a quick mix for you, check this out: MAKEAWISH-Space_Travelers MbT.xrns (546.3 KB)
There’s no native monoizer in Renoise, so the low ends are still stereo. But besides of that it’s much better in terms of balance and clearness in comparison to the original mix imho.
I think you’ve chosen the sounds already that good that it barely needs any eqing. Maybe I would only kind of “limiting” the frequency range of the lead and basses, like so (lead):
So a still a wide area, only removing a tad of not required frequencies, and then compensating with a bit more gain then. Your leads certainly would shine more then, but without any resonances or phase issues (a 12dB shelve filter does not alter the phase at all, while highpass filters do, and since you are layering a lot I would assume the keeping the phase is very important here). And the layered bass could sound a bit less muddy. Cutting off the unnecessary parts works very well while listening in mono, since there you only have the frequency range (y-axis) to place sounds.
At the same time, again, I find your mix very good already, and it is also part of the style the you mash up wide frequency layers like this. If you somehow would put also a limiter on master and maybe on d+b bus, or doing a bit of low frequency ducking on the bass while the kick is playing… Such technics would give you more loudness, and ducking also can make it sound more dynamical, which I think always sounds better. Also full band limiters of course first limit the bass range, since bass has way more energy.
But what do I know, very nice tunes here again. Very interesting to listen to and see how you work. Thanks for sharing.
Actually maybe I do not remember correctly which filter type will affect the phase and which one not, or less… At least the 12db shelves in Renoise eq seem to be minimal invasive, but maybe a wide butterworth bandpass would work, too?
@TNT Very interesting! Sounds really different from the original, super clear with punch. Not far from a remix at this point! A remaster for sure.
There is so many layers beside of the master track! I’ll took the time to see.
Yes ^^ But it’s possible here because it’s all native with no VST so it’s super easy to share files.
@ffx Thanks for explanations, I’ll check the frequencies. Probably I’ll remove some too low frequencies. Also I won’t change all the sounding at this point, anyway don’t have the time. ^^ I’m okay with the global mix, but need just a bit of more punch and clearness. I’ll do some tests.
Thanks everyone! Now let’s won’t flood the tread with all mastering discutions. I’ll see what I can do with all advices for a remaster!
Yeah, there’s a thread for mixing and mastering questions, no need to discuss it here.
But it’s not a remix, it’s just a mix. Your mix was almost good, you just need to cut the low ends in every track except the desired bassy parts like kick and bass, cut the treble at 10000 Hz to avoid harshness when turning up the volume and separate the instruments a little more. And never ever cut all the low ends in terms of a bass. I’ve noticed a slight crackle in my mix at the beginning when the chords begin to play, that’s because the lower mids of those chords aren’t perfectly aligned yet. As I said, quick mix. So there’s some work left to do.
It looks more than it actually is. It’s just the parallel processing stuff, in this case with native Renoise devices. That gives the sound more depth, “whoomp” and a better balance. You also gotta check the sends in the instrument tracks. In case you want to know more or if there’s a question, let’s switch to the mixing thread.
Just a quick overview and explanation:
From left to right:
Maybe just forget what I wrote above, might be nonsense, too
Yes, keep it like that. I tried a bit with shelves, but couldn’t mix it better then, as it looses those nice dynamics in the low end: MBC16-MAKEAWISH-Space_Travelers-shelves-only.xrns (543.3 KB)
@_kara Sweet! You’re back. I think you’re mostly posting here with the MBCs. So good to see you again. Your track is wicked! Dark and scary. It feels like something is disintegrating in a dark, empty universe. As if Venetian Snares and Autechre met up in a cool, dark place, took a bunch of hardcore drugs and proceeded to have a shared bad trip. Lovely, lovely stuff.
Ah yes, that’s a good idea. Here’s the song by @Fabrice including mono bass: MAKEAWISH-Space_Travelers MbT.xrns (546.7 KB)
And I also took care of the crackle at the beginning. Of course it’s still not perfect, but let’s leave the finish to Fabrice. It’s his song and he knows best what he wants to achieve with the sound. There must be a reason for a constant flanger and a filter that opens and closes continuously. I just tuned in because I like the track and obviously some basic mixing was missing, and you just have started talking about the mix.
Anyway, glad you’ve had some fun. That competition was made for @slujr, his contribution sounds exactly like any other of his tracks, maybe with a tad less sound quality. The other mister, @corb, also delivered some good stuff, but he missed the goal because his song is bigger than 1.4 MB. Musically @highway_rehab matches my taste the most, but @Fabrice 's track is the most catchy one (so far) and can easily get stuck in the head.
Idk, I’ve downloaded your xrns and its size is 1704 KB. That’s bigger than 1440 KB. The link above shows 1.6 MB, and according to your picture it’s 1475 KB. Nevermind, it’s about the fun.
@encryptedmind no, I don’t know those people. They are just some stock models from a t-shirt printing company. To test your design on. Wouldn’t surprise me if they are ai generated.
Yup, you’re correct. The Stereo Expander can make things mono. Combine it with the multiband send device I mentioned earlier and you’ve got control over which part of the frequency spectrum you want adjust the width of.
I’ll took the time to see.
