Modular Synths anyone?

Totally new to modular, anybody have any advice or anything?Going to have to get a loan out to buy all this stuff…
I think my rack is fairly complete but maybe im missing out on some fundamental modules, i dunno.
Anyways heres what im gonna build

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/1049758

Try vcvrack

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Can you use those specific modules in it?

Whats this setup going to give u that u cant do in the digital realm ?

You must be joking dude, the sound!!

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the virtual modular is a good simulator for understanding what you need from the system. sound quality and sound are individual. but it should be borne in mind that most of the modules are a combination of elements that have long been invented

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I have a nord modular for almost 20 years , digital but amazing .
For software there are lots of options , I am a reaktor head …blocks sounds pretty great
Vcv is also good , but there are a hell of a lot of modules , some are great ( vult stuff ) , some are not etc…there is also an ( official ) vcv rack vst in the making …dunno when it will be released
Lot’s of good stuff available

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In my opinion the sound from all virtual modular is lame in comparison, albeit a great way to learn. I have Reaktor blocks and I’m not really pushed with it, it just doesn’t excite me. Anyone here have a real modular rig? Nothing virtual? Nord modular does seem cool, i had my eye on that years ago…

I have a real modular system that generally sounds worse than virtual instruments! There are a million things that can go wrong with trying to patch two or more modules from different manufacturers together. I wouldn’t waste thousands of [your currency here] to get into modular unless you know it’s the only way to make the sounds you want. You will spend a LOT on it. And never have time for any other gear cos you’ll always be thinking what you can get to replace this one module which doesn’t quite do the right thing, or you hear about a new module on youtube and it could be just a bit different but similar to the one you already have, so you have to sell something and wait to get this new one that might be hard to find for a few months… It’s the end of being a musician in my opinion. Like constantly wondering if replacing one string or a cable might make your guitar sound 0.01% better but you still struggle playing a chord. You also underestimate all the extra shit you need to get a functioning system. You don’t have enough envelopes IMO, nor any CV utilities like scaling, offsets, etc. That stuff makes a big difference, but eats HP, and money. I don’t think the modular game is worth the price of entry, and this is me talking after spending thousands on it. It was a waste of time and resources. I would wish i had stuck to renoise, or just bought a couple of brand new elektron boxes, which would have actually cost less and saved me a lot of wasted brain energy trying to work out how to fit stuff in the limited rack space. Pile of crap. Internet fad. That’s me humble opinion. Ok bye.

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For sure modular synths are pretty and you can make great youtube videos with them. As for the sound design…
What I heard so far was a combination of simple sounds blended together in various ways, but there wasn’t anything groundbreaking that made me think “omg I need a hardware modular synth to recreate this sound”.

I think really learning a vst inside-out (like surge or vital) will make you create more interesting compositions than spending time building a modular setup. But then of course if you like pretty things or want to take it to the stage etc this can make sense.

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and the “analog sound quality”…

  • a lot of famous modules are digital (like the audible instruments ones). If you want you can use the vcvrack version of those modules, the sound will be 100% equivalent
  • Even for analog stuff, how will that really affect your mix ? Most of people care about the general rhythm or melody of your tracks, if you used this analog gear or a vst won’t matter at all in my opinion, especially if you don’t only use your analog synth in your tracks.
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Its really weird u see these people spend thousands on racks just to make ambient drones.

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Sorry dudes I just don’t subscribe to virtual gear being able to emulate hardware synths decently.I own a ton of gear and nothing stacks up to them.Yamaha fs1r, clavia lead a1,different
Dat machines, cassette mixers, Waldorf pulse 1, notation super bass station, monologue, boss space echo pedal, boss gt6-b, maCkie vlz pro, focusrite platinum penta, Aphex exciter.Amiga 600 and 1200 electribe esx 1,filter queen, jomox t resonator,behringer td-whatever.Point being the virtual gear can’t even mimic an Amiga sufficiently.Thats not even analog…The bass station I have is amazing, only 100 euros or something but the fuckin sound is really something.In particular what virtual gets the most wrong is filters, especially the resonance, they just all fall flat in comparison.Anywys back to my rig I should explain it’s suited to drums and it is not intended to be a synth by any means.The Hyperion processor takes up a lot of hp,so I might swap that out.

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Good luck then. Come back when you’re 5000 $/€/£ in the hole and let us know what you think of it… I’m willing to bet a free software program which gets you 99% of the way there will look more inviting all of a sudden.

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I’m going to!applying for my loan now haha.gonna be awesome, whoever said I’m lacking in vca is probably right,it was the one aspect I was truly worried about.As for Scale quantisers, I really don’t need them for this rig as it will be almost 100 percent drums, I think I’ll probably build a second rig and dedicate that to vco and the like with plenty of filters and quantisers and all that good stuff.Also the micro tuning module is not needed either so il prob swap that out

I said you need more envelopes, not VCAs, you have 8 VCAs already in that rack and no proper env generator. I have to say i think you’re incredibly foolish to take out a loan just to buy synth modules. You should probably spend a bit more time learning what you really need before committing to a legally binding credit agreement which you have to repay WITH INTEREST. You’re multiplying the cost of something which is already overpriced, and even if you were to buy everything second hand you would be wiping out any saving by having interest ON TOP of what you are spending. It’s pretty stupid, i have to be honest. If you have a desperate need to get into modular, get a case and start slow, and do not end up with a load of stuff you OWE A BANK MONEY ON!! It’s crazy. If you are making a living from your music then it could be worth it if it gets paid off quick, but if you’re just a hobby musician you’re making a very poor decision.

Jesus dude i actually have the money!!! im getting a loan to show my bank that im capable of taking one out and paying it back quickly, it increases my chance for a mortgage and bigger loans in the future. If i wanted i could just buy it all right now but that wont help me at all really.I live in Dublin city, the average house price where i live is astronomical, 400,000 plus for an average house,so its actually going to help in the long run in terms of loans. So im not really worried about the money if im honest. Im more excited to build this fuckin thing and seeing where i can take it! I have space for envelope generators now that i will remove some modules so im going to be definitely looking into them.

Please make some videos of your patches once your have it :slightly_smiling_face:

Ok, feed the banking monster, and make some nice music while you’re at it. See ya!

The beauty of a modular synth is that everything runs at audio rate , even the modulation signals (dc signals )
In a virtual modular like Nord , audio signals run at 96Khz and most control signals at 24Khz , of course dedicated fm inputs and plain audio modulations is processed at 96khz
In reaktor (blocks ) everything runs at whatever you , altough 88Khz for both signals is good enough for me
You can’t compare this with softsynths like vital .
If your sine wave lfo is running at 500Hz , but the update rate is only 1000 Hz ,your sine lfo will look like a square wave ( since it’s only updated two times per cycle )
Tranzistow , one of the best sounding vst’s out there can have it’s mod matrix to be also processed at audio/sample rate , besides the audio rate connections thar are already there , so can dune 3 and al the other modular vst’s
Few peope seem to understand this is a big thing when doing audio rate modulations

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