Perhaps we could cooperate with Yannick and the Skale developers in creating an open pluginformat for trackers?
what is the advantage of a NEW plugin format??? there is vst - there is DX … great free and commercial plugins and instruments exist …
name one soundeffect or instrument or whatever that’s not possible to create with the available plugins …
i think there are more important things to do … if Renoise is perfect and all possibilities with VSTi etc. are exhaust, then there is enough time to think about special addons like an own plugin-format or others …
only my opinion … 
I know i’m a bit late on this subject, and I haven’t had a chance to read all your replies, but I just want to throw in my opinion.
I’m a registered user, and I do NOT support any development effort going into Buzz support. If I want Buzz, I’d use Buzztracker.
This is a complete waste of time and resources
IN MY OPINION, of course
I won’t be upgrading, and I don’t know if I can be really enthusiastic about this product anymore when I know that time’s spent adding support for something incredibly useless (how about better VSTi support? or a mixer? or an arrange window? yeah I know many of you are philosophically against those, but whatever) maybe you could not worry about features for one release and actually focus on the myriad of BUGS in the program, more of which are introduced each time more features are added?!
I’m incredibly disappointed to learn about this.
Oh and now that I’ve had a chance to read all the replies… I’ll just add that I feel the same way about a new plugin format as I do about Buzz support. Pah! Get with it. Why do we need yet another plugin format? Who do you expect will develop for it? VST is pretty much open and out there, anyone can make a VSTi on any platform; what advantages will this have? What, may I ask, is the POINT?
This is not the way to go about making Renoise a more professional product. In fact this is leading in the exact opposite direction. Sorry, that’s how I feel.
Why do we need yet another plugin format? Who do you expect will
develop for it? VST is pretty much open and out there, anyone can make
a VSTi on any platform; what advantages will this have? What, may I ask,
is the POINT?This is not the way to go about making Renoise a more professional
product. In fact this is leading in the exact opposite direction. Sorry, that’s
how I feel.
The VST API is ugly and limitating. The only good thing about it, is that
everyone usues it. Its based completly on MIDI and tries to emulate even
the MIDI hardwares limitations.
We would like to develop a new own API to get rid of these limitations, for
example making it possible to use the standard tracker commands like pitch
arpeggio and volume slides, and make Instruments really multitimbral
without binding them to a specific track.
I like the idea of making a tracker specific generator API with the Skale
and Madtracker dev together. I will contact Yannick and Bak and ask them
what they think about this idea.
Further I had together with Neurotix the idea to bind the effects to the
executable to get rid of this “you need this and that dll to run my song”.
To get back to open source tracking, where the only thing you need to
share songs is the tracker.
For one, it seems you haven’t even read many of the latest replied,
as it is now clear that the idea of Buzz-plugins is now dead. Period.
Buzz support was programmed long ago by taktik, so implementing it now would not have been a waste of time.
I’m sorry to hear, but having a discussion about it doesn’t hurt anyone does it? And we have never stated that plugins like this in any format will come in front of bugfixing (quite the opposite, bugs have always been first priority) or other features, so you’re exaggerating this quite a bit. A quick look at the WIP page and other posts and large discussions on this forum will show that.
I agree with taktik, and we need to keep the discussion on track instead of going back to square one because some users do not bother reading the whole discussion before contributing 
An API that offers a common framework between Renoise, Skale and MadTracker is an excellent idea. It will truly bring back the scene into life. I hope we learn from the BUZZ experience so that we do not fall back into splitting the scene and alienating devs etc… This scene needs healthy competition of ideas NOT fights and hate and arguments that is totally pointless. We need licensing that preserves everyone’s rights. Specially with plugins - if one wants to sell it fine. If one wants to give it away for free, then fine. Shareware, then fine.
Of course it will be nice too to be able to port such an API into the MingW C++ compiler 
This is the selfish me kicking in right now I never liked using Visual C++ anyway.
I can imagine fun weekends working on plugins in my favourite C++ compiler
ok … intressting … but first it’s important that Renoise sample-instrument system grows to full featured softsampler (like gigastudio) … that renoise beats all other vsti- oder midi-(soft)sampler 
in my mind, the old tracker sample-system (ok Renoise features more like other trackers) is out of date generally
All I’m saying is that I think Renoise in itself needs to grow as a program before thinking about creating a new plugin format and API and all that. I’d like to see stuff like, as mentioned earlier, an arrange window (it’s nice to be able to visualize the song in more ways than just seeing a vertical list of #s), a mixer, AKAI support, better handling of VSTIs, just off the top of my head. Above all I’d like to see a focus on simply fixing bugs for a while, over ANY feature.
The idea of the new api is nice, but what if it doesn’t take off? Aren’t you worried that this will further put Renoise into a shrinking niche market? I too am nostalgic about tracking, it’s where I started with making music, but there have been many developments in music creation since the Amiga days. And yeah it’s cool to be able to make music, have imbedded plugins, be able to share the tracks as they are, I’m not arguing that. But it’s something that’s going to stay within an amateur realm and be segmented off from the rest of “pro audio” users. Me, personally, I would rather use the commercial VSTi products for the most part.
I just don’t know if having that right now is more important than anything else that could be added or enhanced in Renoise.
astro !
i am getting mad in finding a (free / demo) vst which kan reproduce that typical webble sound of nowadays hardcore.
If some one can suggest the vst and the settings…
rotello
Why is a tracker software only for amateurs? You can make music with it that’s just as good as ‘pro’ music.
Just because you can’t, doesn’t mean it’s amateur software…
Would be great if the API could be shared between Renoise, Sk@le and MT3. Would be awesome if all three had the same module format so one could play them in each program 
amateur realm???
pro-music is NEVER a question of the used software - it’s a question of the musician and creativity!
Amateur from a business perspective, which I’m guessing taktik and co. probably would care about. Amateur in that the only people who’d be developing plugins would be hobbyists. And look, I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that, I’m saying that I think this particular feature should have a lower priority than others at the present time.
@ astro
I agree, because there is allready VST/VSTI, and at this time I think its much more important to improve/add features in the program than adding a API.
I agree with astro,
Before developing an API for effects/instruments plugin, Renoise should concentrate on other features ( Window layout, more tools to manage the pattern layout, Better support for VSTi, MIDI file import/export…etc), of course based on he W.I.P vote, like for buzzz…
Of course, a common API with other trackers would be great in a near future!
We have briefly started to discuss a common tracker generator API with developers of MT and Psycle. Hopefully this will result in a larger base for plugins, and thus more cooperation within the scene and cooler sounds
I just have to say this sounds very very good!! It so much better with a united tracker-scene than a divided one…
Over a year of silence (or a different topic discussing the Renoise API part) i have the guts to add (bump the topic actually) in a reply… 
Don’t underestimate the skill of some “hobbyists” in this world.
They sometimes have the better visions and strengths to get something huge from the ground in matter of days than the true pro-software developers could do in months.
And most professional software developers were hobbyists themselves in the past…
I’m wondering how the API development and discussion is going in the Skale / MT / RNS world out there…
It went dead under a tsunami of silence…
Duh, was probably not the best moment to bump this thread back into the media-attention…
Wow…
This is the first time I’ve seen this thread, and it’s quite a read!
What ever happened to the merged tracker API thing? as it’s a very cool idea.
peace