Right on my man 
Absolutely agree,there’s just one thing though,piano roll will not be implemented.
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like i sayed… limited minds! 
Instead of accusing people with ‘limited minds’ why don’t you try to adapt?There’s no point in asking for piano roll anymore because its not going to happen.
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What is your problem, dude?
Where we can listen your songs? I’m really curious to hear them.
Those who are always whining and demanding this and that for a gear and/or software, really can’t make anything finished. Music-making and visual work is an art form. And it’s all about creativity. Making things happen.
Only what matters, is the end result and that you are enjoying what you do. You do things with those tools you have. And if you can’t, probably it’s not the tool’s fault.
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Nice story, would also fit in this thread that contains my story. You’ve started creating music the same year as me, you’re just a little older than me. There are quite some similarities, but what stands out is that you were a professional once. So you know that Renoise is so to say a “professional tracker”. I agree, most people are ignorant when it comes to proper DAWs. I don’t know why trackers aren’t more popular, in fact they’re best for electronic music in general. You know the reason, I know the reason, everybody who ever has used a tracker knows the reason. But people don’t know about it, because in the past there wasn’t a tracker that could deliver professional sound, so common DAWs increased their dominance and today people don’t even notice the existence of trackers. So it’s for those who know. 
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Wise words, man.
When we started tracking, there was only Cubase maybe? And some notation programs. All those were MIDI only. So you needed a synth/hw sampler to make music with them. Trackers were the only possible way to do a sample-based music back then just with a computer. A lot has changed since those days.
I know there’s a lot of commercial music done in the 90s with trackers.
And I didn’t have a clue of those back then. If only I had known then…
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Yes, and as far as I know musicians like “The Prodigy” were using trackers, too, I just can’t remember which ones. But at that time I didn’t know about it either.
Yes, but Atari ST only. In 1992 it was released on PC, too. And yes, as far as I remember you also needed hardware to use Cubase. That would have been a very expensive hobby for a kid… And one would have to deal with a piano roll, So personally I preferred Amiga. At least the graphics, programs and games were superior on Amiga and there was SoundTracker, In 1994 I had the opportunity to use Cubase on Atari ST for a while, but I really didn’t like it despite the “professional” sound quality.
I’ve forgot to ask: There was a "SoundTracker "on Atari ST? The same SoundTracker as on Amiga? So to say the cracked and further developed version of this SoundTracker, that became the common SoundTracker on Amiga? Followed by NoiseTracker and ProTracker?
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Yes, trackers were the only way to make music as a kid at that time. Remembering all this brings so great memories.
Oh, I remembered wrong, Atari did have Noisetracker and Protracker.
Sountracker was for Amiga only.
Two of my friends had Amiga at the time when I had the Atari ST.
Atari had mono output only and the sound quality wasn’t quite as “good” as Amiga had.
We made our own samples with Amiga. One of my friends had a sampler for it. We were sampling everything, from records, synths, and electric guitar even. Sample time was very limited though.
I was so into that early 90s UK hardcore at the time. Well, I still am…
I didn’t realize back then that it was mainly done with trackers.
When listening to those tracks nowadays, it’s immediately obvious to hear that tracker sound from most of them. Bizzy B’s stuff is a good example. Acen did use Cubase.
I remembered from somewhere that the Prodigy used a tracker in The Fat of The Land album too, not just their first album. It’s a pity that there’s not much info on those things anywhere.
Who knows if they use them all the time? At least on some tracks.
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Are you STILL using Pianoroll in Renoise??
Some users still sure that Pianoroll is DAW with VST plugin named Renoise.
And remember! Not Renoise is a tracker but tracker is Renoise! Amen!
Really? I didn’t know this. Then I guess it was a porting from Amiga?
That’s right, but as you mentioned Atari had a MIDI port, that’s why you got a professional sound while creating music in Cubase if you’ve connected hardware with the Atarti ST. It was the only way to produce professionally with a DAW at that time. Nevertheless I’m a fan of Paula, even though I still prefer SID over Paula.
At this point one have to emphasize what big step in creating music Renpise is. A tracker that can run plugins AND is capable of sample stuff. A dream has come true. The only thing that I have to regret is the fact that I didn’t discover Renoise earlier. When I returned to music in 2007 after having a break of a decade, Renoise already existed, but I was using SkaleTracker, which is a FastTracker clone. It took 4 more years until someone recommended Renoise to me. If you ever read this, thanks again, @Amok!
I did this as well by using the Techno Sound Turbo. It was quite fun digging for samples and for other data from games.
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You sounds like a hanging audio cd, or maybe you are trapped in a timeloop. You always pray the same line…
"blablabla…Pianoroll…blablabla…will never happens…
Sorry mate, but i can’t take you longer in serious way. #No hate
happy tracking
Where my Song are? My old Amiga songs are gone with my Amiga Hardware to the junkyard. I take it to my first girlfriend and then some time later life happens. My Renoise Songs are her on my PC. Any other questions?
No you don’t understand, the piano roll isn’t happening now, so the reason I keep repeating it to you is because somehow you haven’t managed to absorb that information…It’s not happening so you will have to adapt.
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That’s actually quite cool,I’m glad it has that effect!My ears are so used to it now that I’ve lost that sense of skipping I used to get,and I would describe it exactly like a C.D. that’s scratched and skipping.
Thank you! Yeah, I agree. That would be great if youngsters find Renoise interesting and useful.
It would be interesting to know how many Renoise users there are overall.
It’s great that the tracker community still stands so strong.
All thanks to Renoise.
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That’s right. Those were directly same. Then we used some app (I don’t remember its name anymore) on Amiga to convert mod files to ST and vice versa. I don’t remember the procedure or how it went.
Skale tracker! Oh , how did I missed that?
I did use that a lot.
Thats it! Looks just like the same.
You are such a pianotroll…
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Amen break, bro 
LOL 
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