I am so much struggling to enter note data in a piano roll! My brain is not made for this, or I must be a super lazy person. I love to enter notes in this nice overview of the Renoise pattern context (not! the recording part though ), but I totally hate it in Bitwig. It turns into a mouse click orgy every time, afterwards my finger hurts and almost falls off the hand. And left Bitwig without entering any useful notes. No seriously, I really need some approach to overcome my painoroll hate. I would love to use bitwig and enter note data here (without any overview ), since it has it all when it comes to routing, layering, lfoing etc!
Any tips for me? Is there a tutorial video or a book I can read to get my brain straight? Thanks.
I wish Renoise pattern editor was available as a midi vst pluginā¦
Thereās a reason for hating piano rolls and everything about it.
Use Renoise only
Drop Bitwig
Ignore everything about piano rolls
Not for Bitwig. But no matter what, using a piano roll is always a āclick orgyā, whether in Bitwig or elsewhere. Try this video, itās from the Bitwig developer and he talks about note editing and the piano roll.
As much as I hate piano roll like you guys but joule is right, if you use a midi keyboard to add and manipulate chords Iām sure a piano roll is quite helpful but in all other cases itās really not needed, at the end of the day why care? if we get a piano roll some day great, if not great. ā¦ but it will undeniably get Renoise a larger user base and thatās not a bad thing for us all.
I was mostly interested on plain note recording, editing. All the shortcuts, and how you can survive, if you are used to a better standard in overview. I know those manipulation of note data, but itās all mouse actions, very annoying. Ok, in Renoise there are also a bunch of required mouse actions, but at least you can plain edit a melody line, only with the keyboard and so on. Also I love win Renoise to record a chord without any stepping forward, so i can overwrite it, if it doesnāt fit. Or I can play the notes under the current line, without starting playback. I miss this all in Bitwig. And layering pianorollsā¦ I donāt know, looks like a mess to me. But I complained now 5 years about this, itās time to get over this and force my brain to love pianorolls. I need some book called similar like āNew life after renoise addictionā or soā¦
I barely have any live playing skills. I usually step edit the recording tries afterwards (well in Bitwig the recording at least is accurate ), but often I change a note here and there later, in context, and I canāt see any context in Bitwig. Also I have a hard time reading which note I am actually touching in the pianoroll editor, since the note is not always written into the note bar, and then my eye has to look at the left all the time and measure the height of that line, which is exhaustingā¦
Hm. I find the piano roll much more convenient for chords, melody and arpeggios.
For about a year, Iāve been scetching out projects in Logic. Exporting the tracks as MIDI, and then struggle to import said MIDI-files in to Renoise (MIDI import in Renoise i shit. PERIOD), to finish everything up.
If thatās true youāre obviously not very active online.
Youāre right, I was wrong. Bitwig was developed by former Ableton developers. I thought he was part of it, but thatās not the case. Anyway, he talks about the piano roll in Bitwig and seemingly he knows how to handle the program.
If youāre a piano player, otherwise not.
Right, but weāre not talking about a piano roll within Renoise at this point.
I see. If there arenāt any fitting shortcuts shown in the manual I assume there are no keyboard shortcuts.
This can be reduced a lot, when you use keyboard shortcutās. Duplicate notes helps, so you donāt need to draw one note after another. In Bitwig its CTRL+D. When you hold CTRL und move selected notes, Bitwig duplicate them for you. Transpose with cursor keys (when notes are selected). With Shift + Cursor Up/Down, you can move notes 1 octave up or down. In Bitwig, when you just click, it draws your note with the last draw note length. Save also some time.
For me, the tracker view helps me not to āpaintā a melody to get new ideas. But most of the time, iām much quicker with a piano roll. For basic editing like moving multiple or even single notes from a melody around, transpose them, add new notes, change note length etc.
So I quickly deduce that Phazze is who wanted it but somehow was overruled or was beginning to back out or take a secondary seat, or whatever reasonā¦
Many COMBOs have been made-
-Recent Psycle has LUA piano roll, donāt like it too muchā¦
-BeRoTracker has a piano roll but itās monoā¦
-DreamStation II has piano roll or tracker & you can switch back-forth, pretty niceā¦
-IoNeo Aero Studio has piano roll & tracker & both can be open side-sideā¦
-BUZE has piano roll that can be opened but hard to see & way over to right side (Uggg!)
-Aodix 4.2 Has BEST integration & fluid action between both sides-
For a TRACKER person who wants some of the FLUID advantages of a piano roll I feel AODIX is-was the BESTā¦Also great for un-quantizing note-by-note to make more organic pieceā¦
I have seen what there is going with that 3rd party piano-roll for renoise but doesnāt look viableā¦There was also a weird thing with Buzz but I canāt tolerate buzzā¦
For just using mouse Aero Studio pretty slick & simple you enter notes in piano roll & adjust other aspects in tracker viewā¦
One could ALSO use any piano roll DAW & try ReVisit orā¦OR alternatively use a Tracker that can load VSTs & use SonicBytes Phrazorā¦
NOTE!!..There is a fellow who is busy coding up a fix for the issues with AODIX 4.2.0.1 whereby reloading certain plugs on next session resulted in a crashā¦
There will never be a Piano Roll in Renoise, it is a hobby project that pretty much only gets maintenance releases for newer OSes, the developers didnt want to add piano roll or linear arranger, so it was never commercially viable beyond that hobby project.
Enjoy it for what it is and be happy they maintain it enough to keep using it on newer systems.
), but I totally hate it in Bitwig. It turns into a mouse click orgy every time, afterwards my finger hurts and almost falls off the hand. And left Bitwig without entering any useful notes. No seriously, I really need some approach to overcome my painoroll hate. I would love to use bitwig and enter note data here (without any overview 
), since it has it all when it comes to routing, layering, lfoing etc!
ā¦ but it will undeniably get Renoise a larger user base and thatās not a bad thing for us all.
), but often I change a note here and there later, in context, and I canāt see any context in Bitwig. Also I have a hard time reading which note I am actually touching in the pianoroll editor, since the note is not always written into the note bar, and then my eye has to look at the left all the time and measure the height of that line, which is exhaustingā¦