Got me thinking…this idea could really open a new kind of workflow
One of the things I currently find kind of hard is to keep track of my aliased slots, sometimes I’m not careful enough and delete one of the “source” slots.
But with this little box, I could just stick these notes in there and let them be aliased into the main song.
I could even clear the song and not worry about losing those notes, they would still be there unless you choose to clear everything 
I think if we have pattern matrix we need more funktion for this windows. Need one window or maybe merge with pattern window (pattern matrix its just small visualisition, pattern huge mode) and ithink in pattern matrix do it editor for cut/shift/merge etc for simple edit patterns
Thnx
Here is a quick mockup of a “split screen matrix”
1: This is the button which toggle the overall visibility of the alternate matrix
2: You can drag/copy patterns between screens (the patterns are completely separate, pattern 1 in the top isn’t the same as pattern 1 below)
3: Similarly, you can drag/copy individual slots between the two screens.
4: The split itself is adjustable by grabbing the horizontal divider with the mouse
@00.1 Totally agree, we need to bring phrases “closer to the pattern”. This is worthy of a separate discussion, I think
+1000 
That’s true that an instrument can have a bank of phrases, I should have re-phrased it
However, maybe I missing something, but the “Create phrase from selection” only works once for me… meaning,
create pattern
select pattern
create phrase from pattern
go to phrase editor, move phase to C-0, right click on C-0, key-tracking none
go back to editor and make new pattern from same instrument
create phrase from pattern
“Create phrase failed. Sorry, can currently not create phrases from instruments which already use phrases.”
You may find my PhrasePhreak tool useful
Here is a quick mockup of a “split screen matrix”
1: This is the button which toggle the overall visibility of the alternate matrix
2: You can drag/copy patterns between screens (the patterns are completely separate, pattern 1 in the top isn’t the same as pattern 1 below)
3: Similarly, you can drag/copy individual slots between the two screens.
4: The split itself is adjustable by grabbing the horizontal divider with the mouse
@00.1 Totally agree, we need to bring phrases “closer to the pattern”. This is worthy of a separate discussion, I think
Good suggestion, although I’d prefer the “Pattern Toolbox/Pool/Whatever” to be more of a parallel display - at least if you’re satisfied with the overall arrangement and just want to try out different melodies (and in different segments of the song), meaning that the Pool will “follow” no matter where in the song you are. Perhaps you could toggle to a horizontal display if you want to try out a completely new arrangement? Or perhaps I just misunderstood your points.
Thinking of that you liked the idea to have the Pattern Matrix on top of the Pattern Editor in another thread, here’s how I’d roughly imagine it to look like. And to leave some space for the PE and PM the “Quick Mix View” is preferably on the far left rather than on the bottom:
Good suggestion, although I’d prefer the “Pattern Toolbox/Pool/Whatever” to be more of a parallel display - at least if you’re satisfied with the overall arrangement and just want to try out different melodies (and in different segments of the song)
Ah, I missed this one… I envisioned the pattern pool as being special in two ways:
Removing elements from the song will not remove them from the pool.
So you can add important motifs, riffs or alternative arrangements etc. to the pool for “safe keeping”.
The pattern pool isn’t just about pattern data, it is pattern data stored within a specific context: track FX / group, etc.
Because of point #2, the pattern pool would not function side-by-side with a vertical pattern matrix, like in the screenshot you posted.
You would basically struggle to see the relationship between tracks - sideways scanning would make your head dizzy.
If you take a look at your screenshot - in the pool,which track does the green slots belong to?
This would be infinitely easier to determine if they were sitting beneath, but in the same column.
(of course, we could then hope for a matrix which can be flipped between horizontal and vertical…but yeah. )
To have truly independant pattern data we have phrase presets, they are awesome once you start amassing a huge collection 
Ah, I missed this one… I envisioned the pattern pool as being special in two ways:
- It exists outside the song.
Removing elements from the song will not remove them from the pool.
So you can add important motifs, riffs or alternative arrangements etc. to the pool for “safe keeping”.
- Tracks, groups and FX still apply.
The pattern pool isn’t just about pattern data, it is pattern data stored within a specific context: track FX / group, etc.
Because of point #2, the pattern pool would not function side-by-side with a vertical pattern matrix, like in the screenshot you posted.
You would basically struggle to see the relationship between tracks - sideways scanning would make your head dizzy.
If you take a look at your screenshot - in the pool,which track does the green slots belong to?
This would be infinitely easier to determine if they were sitting beneath, but in the same column.
(of course, we could then hope for a matrix which can be flipped between horizontal and vertical…but yeah. )
To have truly independant pattern data we have phrase presets, they are awesome once you start amassing a huge collection
This is not the most important feature for me, but I’m a little curious of it. My previous post was more spontaneous thoughts about how it could look like.
Perhaps the green slots are simply just assigned to a track in the main window. I’m not sure how it could look in a better way if I want to test different melodies in different parts of the song? I have no doubt that you or the devs have a clearly better idea though.
Oh my… I would love a new arranger and a pool of blocks sounds nice. I am a bit fatigued these days of having to edit tons of patterns with the same change.
Don’t dismiss a horizontal arranger, think outside the Renoise box here.
The problem with phrases today is that they don’t show the data in the pattern editor, quite hard to use for anything but Arps and percussion.
I just thought about pattern/track automation, that feels a bit tricky in a case of using blocks!? Maybe it would be easier programming wise if each track had a pool of it’s own?
Don’t dismiss a horizontal arranger, think outside the Renoise box here.
https://forum.renoise.com/t/a-more-practical-pattern-matrix/43134
think outside the Renoise box
In a way, that’s what the pattern toolbox is. It exists ‘outside the box’ (== the matrix),
Talking about a traditional arranger is of course nice, but most arrangers I’ve encountered still would have to consider a concept like this in order to break out of their own limitations
For example, you have a song which contain a nice piano solo - a ‘clip’. But where does that clip ‘exist’ - exclusively within the arranger, or elsewhere? What happens when you delete it?
If you reply ‘elsewhere’, then you also understand this concept
One thing I don’t understand is why you can’t copy and paste slots from one instance of Renoise to another when you can copy and paste note data.
^ I think it’s because copying copies the entire pattern into the clipboard
As someone who started on Buzz I’ve wanted something like a “pattern pool” in Renoise for years now. PLEASE make this happen! 
As someone who started on Buzz I’ve wanted something like a “pattern pool” in Renoise for years now. PLEASE make this happen!
+1
The pattern sequencer in renoise is a bit primitive, and a more powerful tool for building a pool of unsequenced patterns that can be dragged into a sequence would really help m y workflow in renoise. Something like the Buzz method, or even better, something modelled on Block mode in Reason:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6UFCdD4Lyk
Something like the Buzz method, or even better, something modelled on Block mode in Reason:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6UFCdD4Lyk
Reason’s block mode, to me, seems not exactly useful in a Renoise context.
Yes, blocks are intended to ‘glue’ together related elements. But, this is called a pattern in Renoise and something we take for granted.
The pattern pool simply enables you to have a separate list of ‘blocks’ (patterns), right next to the actual song (pattern sequence).
Reason’s block mode, to me, seems not exactly useful in a Renoise context.
Yes, blocks are intended to ‘glue’ together related elements. But, this is called a pattern in Renoise and something we take for granted.
The pattern pool simply enables you to have a separate list of ‘blocks’ (patterns), right next to the actual song (pattern sequence).
It would become very useful if/when Renoise has audio tracks. The good thing about blocks in Reason is that you can overlay patterns with linear audio segments that span across sequenced blocks or the whole song.
At the moment, this would not add much to Renoise because there is no song-length overlay to put audio tracks over sequenced patterns. If Renoise did have audio tracks and a pattern sequencer that worked a bit like block mode in Reason, then it would mean not having to export things to another DAW to do things like track guitars over the fully sequenced song.
A pattern pool would be a great addition to Renoise in its current form though.
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A pattern pool would be a great addition to Renoise in its current form though.
Yup, I agree, any form of pattern pool would be greatly appreciated.
Recently I have started using more and more MIDI as well (sequencing parts and recording to samples/instruments), and to keep track of where all the original midi data is I just stuff these patterns at the end of my song, in case I need to revisit / rerecord, and in many songs I have like 10-100 patterns of this stuff, so would definitely be neat to just put all these in a “pool” instead. gets messy!
Presonus Studio One version 3 was just released, and it has perhaps the best implementation of a song arrangement feature I’ve yet seen in any DAW http://studioone.presonus.com/whats-new, https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=149&v=ZALHeAeOjM4
The Arranger Track and Scratch Pads in Presonus are an excellent way to create song parts without any particular structure in mind, and then arrange them into a complete song. A pattern pool in Renoise would be analagous to the Scratch Pad in Presonus. An arranger section in Renoise (a tab between Edit and Mix that displays an arranger screen) where you can sequence patterns or groups of patternsfrom a pool would be a big workflow improvement to Renoise over the existing pattern sequencer. Even better if the arranger lets you add audio tracks as a linear overlay to arranged patterns, which would then make Renoise a much more complete DAW.
What i suggest is simply to add two key bindings for prev/next pattern BY NUMBER, regardless of orderlist. The orderlist could be grayed out when viewing a pattern that’s not on the orderlist. As simple as that =)
Bump for this great idea!
