true. It’s my best software-purchase ever. Using it every day.
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Same here… Whatever the downsides of the glacial development pace, it’s certainly an amazing value!
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…don’t complain, make music…
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Dude please , just go back to wherever you came from
I am pretty confused as to why people keep insisting on a piano roll. I am somewhat new to this forum, but it trips me out. I feel like Renoise is special because it’s an exception to the 80-20 rule (we only use 20% of a programs features 80% of the time). I love that I am able to use a majority of its features in a quick and efficient way. It doesn’t feel bloated. Thats why I use it. When I start Renoise I feel inspired, when I launch Ableton I draw a total blank. I think it should be enough to have the ability to create tools for it separately without insisting on it being a core feature. I get that it might bring more users, but it would probably be better (in my opinion) to just keep it as a separate tool.
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Genuinely curious, why are you using Renoise when you seem to detest the core element of the interface? If it’s the case you can’t afford to get a new DAW Reaper is very cheap and the demo is effectively unlimited. I would even sell you my licence cheap as I never use Reaper. Serious offer.
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Because i often use both imput methods pianoroll and trackerwindow. i often use trackerinput for triols, sixtols and some synthlines/drums. Most of Strings and Fills with harmonies and accords i prefer to input in Pianoroll. So why we should not have both abilitys? No one is forced to use input methods he not liked.
happy tracking
I agree with you that pianoroll can give way more overview and better usability. But this is only because the current trackerview is not like Aodix, so kind of a vertical pianoroll. IMHO instead adding a pianoroll then, the trackerview should be visually improved instead. Then it would be way more coherent. I don’t think that the standard pianoroll ever was a really good concept UX wise, it also lacks of vision and ideas.
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For a pianoroll i would prefer classic left to right concept. but for audiotracks i would prefer vertically samplegrafics with vertical helplines which can be move up/down to stretch/shrink/syncronite the audiotrackcontent with tracker notes. fairly similar to the sample slices, but much easier and more effective usable on audio record tracks. Parameter visualisation could be i vertical area on Trackcolumn similar to the FX hexfields. Only need to paint a little graphic in tracklines with a selected FX parameter or cursor on FX field and nothing when no FX is selected in FX Trackcolumn switches. maybe if i have time i will make a concept demo graphic for better visuality
A vertical, foldable column has my vote but…
For me it raises a questions for how some things will be displayed/presented:
There are commands, such as ZBxx that break and jump to a line in the next pattern. Combined with Yxx, if that is possible, it may be hard to present logically if a note spans this part? It might seem stupid, but if its possible someone will attempt it, either by mistake or by will.
When a “note on” is in pattern 1 and the “note off” is in pattern 3, how does pattern 2 look (if theyre sequenced as 1, 2, 3). Is the note extended if pattern 2 is extended (more lines added)? If it’s a chord and one of the note has its off in pattern 2, what happens then when pattern 2 is extended? When pattern 2 is moved?
This may of course already be solved by the plugins created?
I don’t dig all the hate for users requesting a Piano Roll. I understand it takes away from the tracker philosophy but at the end of the day people are just trying to make music the way it works for them and a Piano Roll would be a great addition to the amazing tools Renoise already provides. Other trackers have implemented them in the past. I just want to see the Renoise community grow! All love baby.
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guys, if you had never seen a piano roll, you would definitely live easier. the concept of the tracker is precisely to avoid garbage in the interface, giving the user only working information. Piano roll is not very visual and when scaling it is just a set of not very clear stripes. when, as in a tracker, I orient myself so well that sometimes I can not look at the monitor. therefore, before you resent, it makes sense to figure it out otherwise you risk losing a lot of nerves.
Peace!)
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for audiotracks i would prefer vertically samplegrafics with vertical helplines which can be move up/down to stretch/shrink/syncronite the audiotrackcontent with tracker notes
This might be the only thing I’m really missing, but as a whole I really enjoy using Renoise!
This community has become the probably most small-minded online community I am still attending. Only because someone doesn’t see a benefit for themselves, out of whatever reason that might be, they project that to the rest of the world. If you, in all honesty, do not see how a piano roll adds information that is additional to a tracker view, irrespective of whether you personally like that, then there is just no reasonable discussion to be had in the first place. I am out…
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I think it’s time we started spamming the Ableton forums asking when they are going to implement a tracker view
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i do it on Ardour forum all the time
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I don’t agree. There are loads of ideas to add to Renoise without a fundamental paradigm shift in terms of operation wasting resources.
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