Recording a slider/knob

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Hello

Is there a way to record a sider / knob in automation without midi controller or forcing right mouse button?

Today I made some funny experiment - Line input that goes to singal follower, which controls instrument plugin on second channel and you can move knobs like filter etc. using your own voice.

Is nice, because whole channel with line input / signal follower is muted at the end and the only you can hear is how knobs are moving and changing sound in realtime (filters, eq, detune etc.).

But there is no option to save anywhere renoise sliders movements. It can be done if I’m using MIDI, but not when they move using singal follower or other internal effect. Or maybe there is some possibility to record knob/slider parameter without MIDI or right mouse button interaction?

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https://tutorials.renoise.com/wiki/Graphical_Automation

The easiest way to create Automation is to record it. This can be done by clicking, holding and moving a Track Effect’s slider with the right mouse button while playing back the song. Depending on the Automation setting in the Pattern Editor’s Control Panel 3.2 patterneditor-automation.png, your changes will then be recorded as either Effect Commands or as graphical envelopes.

To quickly create an empty Automation and switch over to the Automation Editor, you can also click on the small rectangle to the right of each parameter. When a parameter is automated, an icon is shown in this rectangle. In the image below, the icons next to the parameters represent automation by (top to bottom): Effect Commands, envelopes, both.

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Your answer is not related to the question. Probably because you didn’t read the question.

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It’s not possible natively in any way I know of. In theory, it should be possible to setup with a midi loopback device? Downside being it would take some obnoxious routing and only happen via CC (0-127).

A better option would probably be a tool, xrnx, that recorded the value changes. That should be very doable.

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After I think about it a while - it has some sense. There is no record switch for sliders, so value changes are treaten as readed from somewhere (not for record). So - another small limitation. :confused:

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If you mean recording VST(i) controls directly into automation, yes, that’s possible with the old, rusty gui automation recorder tool.

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And THAT was proper answer! I spend some time (10 minutes) to figure it out, but it works good!

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Does your tool work with native effects, as implied by the question? Otherwise it’s a feature request!

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it works with Instrument Automation. It’s enough for now. Sure - saving all sliders would be nice, but so far I can achieve what I wanted. And, to be honest, I do not test it more than Instrument Automation (from description I understand it’s for this purpose). So even if maybe not 100% what I wanted, for me it would be not a big difference if I put, for example, complex fx chain inside PhasePlant synth or on FX chain.

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Do you have a link to the tool?

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I had no link - I just used google after I get answer.

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Yes and it’s helpful for future seekers to have the link in the thread as well

Here it is

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Code is ugly, needs refactoring… N…no doesn’t work for dsp without a gui, then you can use right mouse button?

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Naah?.. imagine, for example, controlling a native filter with your voice on line in (via signal follower), but also recording that automation live. Organic automation slightly reminiscent to a breath controller.

(IIRC renoise.DeviceParameter.value_observable is very snappy… not GUI thread)

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That would be great. A tool for write-recording automated (or controlled) DSP modulation could be very useful indeed

Anyone want to code it? :upside_down_face:

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Read whole topic from the beginning.
I created modulated sound by voice (microphopne) - depends on how loud you speak to microphone, filters and other fx goes up and down. It works and the only was missing is possibility to save that.
With plugin (GUI Automation Recorder) it becomes possible.

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With native DSP as well or just vst? From the tool description it sounded like it was just for vsti, but admittedly I haven’t tried the tool yet

And I have read the whole topic from the beginning :upside_down_face:

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So in my first post I wrote that:
“Today I made some funny experiment - Line input that goes to singal follower, which controls instrument plugin on second channel and you can move knobs like filter etc. using your own voice.”
So:
1st channel FX CHAIN - [1] Line Input … [2] Signal Follower (to Instrument Automation on second channel) … [3] Gainer to zero (-inf)
2st channel FX Chain - [1] Instrument Automation (to VST instrument)

And since this new Renoise plugin can now saves instrument automation - everything works.

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For a plugin (it sounds like). I would like it for native devices.

I believe I understand your posts. Perhaps you’re not understanding mine

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Maybe. What “native devices” are exactly?

I usually only use metaplugins (LFO, Sidechain, Send, Automation, Signal Follower - that kind of stuff) from Renoise. All other things I made using only 3rd party plugins. It seems strange, but that way no matter what DAW I’m using, I don’t must change my habits. :slight_smile: