I too would love some new samples. I think it’ll drive the creativity in different directions each round. I have a ton of samples and could donate to keep the ball rolling.
I’m getting super pumped to hear everyone’s stuff!
Yeah, definitely new samples each round. Which would you guys prefer… One person creates the samplepack or everybody donates a few?
I’m at work right now so I can’t get the votepack together immediately. I will hopefully get it posted tonight, or tomorrow morning at the latest. Good luck everybody!
While waiting for the votepack, the voting itself will happen at http://www.chotoro.fi/knockout/ . Register at any time, hopefully there are no bugs that make the whole thing explode into bits and bobs…
Is voting open for everyone, or should we keep it to participants only?
4 people didn’t submit a song, so it would probably be better if voting was open to everyone.
I thought it’d be participants only, otherwise, everybody can just go and advertise on facebook or sth and it’d be about how many people/e-mail addresses you know 
. It would make it less important that you can’t vote for yourself (when it’s just participants, you always get one vote from your adversary).
I’m already putting together a little sample pack… organiser can see if it’s fit, and/or needs extras. Maybe some Renoise default or chip samples allowed?
Part of the honor system includes not getting friends to vote for you. 
But let’s hear some other opinions… Voting for participants only or everyone?
Or maybe make it two-tier. One is for participants, carrying more weight, say, 2/3 and the ratio being the deciding argument if there’s a tie. The other is open for everyone.
i don’t really care about the voting. but if we do allow anyone, i am with cralias.
for the samplepack it would maybe be cool if everybody submitted a sample for each new round? or maybe it wouldn’t be cool, i don’t know.
not really in a decisive mood here as you can see 
So participant votes would have twice the weight of others? Which ratio did you mean would be a tie-breaker?
I was thinking (over-thinking), perhaps the weight of non-participants could be the same as participants, but only up to a point. If there’s more than half the number of participants (i.e. 10 non-participants in this case), the total weight of their votes would remain the same, so each individual vote carries less and less weight the more non-participants join in. This would mean a mad rush of 100 malicious friends still would only contribute half as much as all the participants.
Eh, it sounded good in my head, but seems complicated now on paper.
Or perhaps, only count participant votes, but use non-participants as tie-breakers? (there could potentially be quite a few ties)
I don’t know, I’ll just leave it to someone else to decide, and I’ll code it in like a monkey.
Have you thought about how odd a number 20 is to do knockout rounds? There’s a reason it’s usually 2^x (eg 8, 16, 32 etc)
20 -> 10 -> 5 and then what? All against all?
I know it kinda goes against the rules but 20 starters, 4 missing, gives 16. I would suggest at least consider recombine the missing half of the pairs so that the rounds break down easier later. Although I do agree with the principle of not having an entry in the opponent should win by default…
4 songs missing leaving us at a power of 2 seems like a fairly nice coincidence. I [EDIT: “also”] say we shuffle the pairs, get a 16 bracket going and rock this thing.
Isn’t that what I just suggested? 
yep. i thought that i was agreeing with you, but then i reread the post, totally looks like i just repeated you. ha. oh well.
I think that would make the most sense.
In an (very) unlikely event of having such votes…
Participants voting: Entry #1: 10 (votes) * 2 (weight) = 20 (result); Entry #2: 5 (votes) * 2 (weight) = 10 (result)
Open voting: Entry #1: 10 (votes) * 1 (weight) = 10 (result); Entry #2: 20 (votes) * 1 (weight) = 20 (result)
Total: Entry #1: 30 votes; Entry #2: 30 votes
…and Entry #1 wins despite the “crowd” favoring the other one.
But now I’m more in favor of your proposition to avoid friend-voting. Sounds like a plan to devise a new political regime that actually works, in a good way.
Props for setting up the vote site, too.
Yeah I guessed as such. Or thought maybe you were reading and I hadn’t posted by the time you got to this page. Did think it earlier so not sure why it took me so long to post… Yet still for some reason my brain refused to work so I had to use 2^X rather than saying a Power Of 2 when I did. 
Well, I don’t mind either way, both options are sensible. I can easily rearrange the pairings for the voting. I’ll just push the voting start up by 24 hours, and go to bed.
Voting will be enabled when oio posts the votepack, or I wake up, or we decide what to do with outside votes… whichever comes latest.
Thanks!
Thinking about this a bit more… I’m inclined to think half weight for my plan is too much, maybe 0.2 or 0.3 is better (that’d be equivalent to up to 4-6 unweighted voters, and no more). Supposing we have that system. It’s rather complicated, so your suggestion wins on simplicity. Discarding votes except for tiebreaking, like I mentioned, tastes like “throwing away” votes, and seems a bit unfair.
Well damn, it’s complicated stuff, this requires a good long thinking cap moment!
…So I’m thinking we could just do the simple thing and see how many end up voting, and then if it’s a reasonable number of “outsiders”, we’ll just have everyone equal. Assuming we allow outside votes in the first place, that is…
On a more academic note: An interesting idea would be to have access based on an invite system, where the invitee can’t vote for the inviter, or the inviters “parent” inviter, and so on…
I dunno, for simplicity’s sake I think it’d be better to just keep voting to the participants.
Yeah! Poor io would have to hack into pentagon to calculate all votes and their different weights and values.
Just do like we/they do for the OHC when voting.
On all of the OHC’s lately on the #renoise IRC we have kept the voting public, with equal weight.
BTW, where is the votepack? How do I vote?