And neither does Renoise…
You buy now, you stay in the game 3.1 - 4.1
(But nonetheless very fair I would think.)
In Renoise terms that means a lifetime. 
In Renoise terms that means a lifetime.
Renoises lifetime has come and gone, it’s just a tracker, their lifetime was a long time ago, all it needs now is updates to keep it working with current OS.
It will never be popular, music making moved on, and trackers ain’t it.
A proper visual representation of what I think Renoise is:
So rather than saying Renoise is “just as tracker”, or even “just a tracker with some modern DAW features”, or even “a DAW with advanced tracker featues”, I would suggest that Renoiseis the equivalent of a Swiss Army Knife in the context of audio and composition tools. You fold out the screw driver, andfind that it’s not the professional screw driver for heavy tasks. But nevertheless it’s working just fine asa quick and efficient tool in many situations where you don’t need the pro screw driver. Then you fold out the saw, andagain it doesn’t do all the stuff like you would expect from a really good saw (such as side-chaining, ha ha).
How many of you have experienced that feelingof getting a really nice Swiss Army knife when you were young? I got my first when I was 8 years old, and I still adore this wonderful little “pocket toolbox” as a product concept.I feel somewhat the same for trackers, asI’vebeen using themsince1989. One can’t simply compare such a limited multi-tool with dedicated professional single-tools in the audio industry today, it would be like comparing Renoise’s native reverb devices with the dedicatedreverb plugins out there and say “look, Renoise can’t doexactlywhat thisreverbplugin isdoing”. Duh!!
But on the other hand, for those of us who prefer the tracker way of recording/editing notes and automation, nothing out therecould really compete with Renoise as that sample manglingmulti-tool Swiss Army knife that get’s the job done in one important area, which is: enabling you to be highly creative with audio and having lots of fun in a relatively short amount of time. This is especially true for us who grew up with trackers and have a soft spot forthe concept as such.There will still beusers in 10 years from now thatdemand amature and polishedtracker, just as there are people that are still looking for an even morepolished Swiss Army knife. It’s a niche that taktik has practically "monopolized"with Renoise.
Thenthere are certain applications for Renoise that unleash even more creative potential if you know how to handle things properly.Like for example,running Renoise 3.1 as a ReWire master to control Reason 9.x is a fantastic marriage for both Renoise and Reason.
To take the analogy with the Swiss Army knife further into the realm of programming, compare working with e.g. Python for rapid prototyping rather than working with C++. Nobody would argue that countingto a million inan interpreted language like Python…
for i in range(0, 1000000):
print(i)
…could rival the speed that same count would take forcompiledC++ code:
#include
using namespace std;
int main(void)
{
for(int i=0; i<=1e6; i++)
cout << i << endl;
return 0;
}
Right? Well, the thing is that on another level and another perspectivethat in turn really depends on what criteria you’re actually using to measure “speed” here. Just take a closer look at those two code examples above to get this point. Same with the discussion about Renoise vs. other contemporary DAWs, it all depends on the criteria and what you’retrying to do.
Think what you like, Renoise is just a tracker, that’s why it is not particularly popular, that is why it is a hobby project for the developer, trackers days are long gone, now it is like a classic car, needs a little work here and there now and then, but other than that it wont change much.
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@ffx. I like his comparison with theSwiss Army Knife… very appropriate.However, it should not be forgotten that Renoise already has more than 16 years of life, enough time to consider perfecting some areas, instead of adding little things letting forget existing things…That means seeing what is currently available and acting accordingly.This is not to compare Renoise with other DAWs products on the market. But perhaps it can be inspirational to improve Renoise.
And I disagree, Renoise can be compared to any DAW. In some things it is better, and in others it is worse.Most DAWs also have their defects, and some serious ones according to the user who uses them.But they have the right approach: if it is a DAW with a multitude of tools, review each one to improve it as much as possible.Renoise 3.1 can be found at that point now.Yes, it is possible to add more things, but instead it would be positive to improve what is already there.
@Bungle, Renoise is not a simple tracker, calling it that way is a serious mistake.I wonder if you’ve used this program in depth and still think the same thing.A tracker could be FastTracker, Impulse Tracker, MilkyTracker, ModPlug Tracker, ProTracker, MadTracker, etc… these are trackers.Renoise plays in another league.However, I think the same thing, Renoise will not change much. I do not see a Taktik investing much time in it.However, I firmly believe that the trackers will never disappear. They are very useful programs. But it is sufficient to have a complete DAW tracker to satisfy your users.Renoise is there, and can continue to evolve…
Milkytracker
ModPlugTracker (OpenMPT)
MadTracker
SVATracker
SoundTracker
Psycle
There are many more. The vast majority with a GUI from the nineties, small projects of tracker, and that many are updated to this day…
Don’t try and put words in my moutrh, I said it is just a tracker, I never said it is a simple tracker, do not misqoute people to fit your agenda, that is disgusting behaviour in a forum.
Don’t try and put words in my moutrh, I said it is just a tracker, I never said it is a simple tracker, do not misqoute people to fit your agenda, that is disgusting behaviour in a forum.
…“is just a tracker”… If you do not like my opinion, it is your problem.
Sorry, but Renoise is not a tracker, it is much more than that!!!That is my discrepancy, I do not consider that Renoise is just a tracker.
Do not get carried away by the word “simple”, but what if you use the word “DAW”?Does that sound right?I shared some pictures with you too, so you can compare.
It was just a comment, Bungle…
I agree, sometimes there are unpleasant comments in the forums.
The “Renoise is just a tracker” view is to adegreesomewhat correct–if the essence of Renoiseis defined by the currenttracker interface. It really is “just a tracker” in the sense that people who don’t feelcomfortable withthetracker’s pattern editor and thealphanumeric representation of data really have no other option when working in Renoise.
However, if we also look at the potential of a product, I don’t think it would be correct to suggest that Renoise is essentially defined by the alphanumerical pattern editor. Not if we look at the total amount of time and effort put into developing the product. If he wanted, taktik could probably carve out the pattern editor,replace itwith a piano roll, audio tracksand clip launchers, recompile the code and sell it as a new product called ReLoop or something.Nobody would then be able tosay ReLoopis a tracker.
So when we discuss what Renoise is, I would say we need to not only take into account the current shape and form, but also the substance behind that shape and form. All the hardDSP "Renoise engine"coding that taktik hasdeveloped for15 years-- THATreally is the essence of Renoise, the rest is just superficial cosmetics in comparison. Therefore, if we look at the potential of Renoise, it’s clear that just by adding those common elements that enable people with no “tracker skills” to instantly start working in Renoise, such a move wouldimmediately erase the “it’s just a tracker” conclusion.
Think what you like, Renoise is just a tracker, that’s why it is not particularly popular, that is why it is a hobby project for the developer, trackers days are long gone, now it is like a classic car, needs a little work here and there now and then, but other than that it wont change much.
Yeah, but if Renoise is like a classic car, you are like the guy who shows up at the Classic Car Club and points out to everyonethat their belovedclassic car is notthe latest mass produced modern car and probably never will be.
And when you see a modern carengine with a classic car chassis,you seem toargue that the vehicle as a whole is aclassic car.
To me, Renoise is “just a tracker”. Semantically, Renoise can be a lot of things depending on how you use it, but let’s be frank: the only main thing that it’s really good at compared to the competition, is being a tracker.
I think that’s perfectly fine. I recently changed my mind about this and think it might be smarter to refine the tracker aspect (e g sample mangling) with timestretch and such, rather than trying to compete by improving 1) mixing, 2) arranging, 3) synthesizing.
And yeah… Renoise is also very good as a platform for manipulating note data via lua 
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I’d also add these to the list:
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Phrases (very unique and genius feature)
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Render Plugin To Instrument
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Playback one step at a time (pressing Enter)
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Formula device with custom code
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Multiband Send
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Custom skins/themes
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And yeah… Renoise is also very good as a platform for manipulating note data via lua
Yeah, I’ll probably also go Lua scripting ASAP. Just need to find some time.As you already know, as a song writer/composer I’m mostly interested in speeding up the chord progression workflow in Renoise. Basically what I want to do is to make Renoise behave like applications such as “Band in a box”, “Chordpulse”, “Sundog Song Studio” etc. I have many ideas in this particular area. Looking forward to the publication of your Lua stuff in these areasas well, when it’s ready.
Renoise update?Whats going on?
triggered
Renoise update? Whats going on?
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As the original post regarding this is closed, I’d just like to add thatI have been producing with Renoise since I first heard of it and I have enjoyed the program for many years now. Whenever I answered the “what program are you using?” question, I often got the “I am not familiar with it” reply from other producers.
While most of them are used to the horizontal approach (meaning most other DAW’s out there), they also always seemed intrigued by Renoise as I was often able to mention features their programs of choice did not feature or featured on a different level. I certainly hope that development on the program will continue. Of course, I am curious about any other software the Renoise team might develop but for now, Renoise is and will continue to be my DAW of choice. It does exactly what I want it to do and more and every added feature always made my workflow more fluid and generally better.
I have written 8 albums as DJ Hidden/The Outside Agency, lots of singles and of course several other releases using other names with the program and I never felt the need to switch to something else. So… I just wanted to say to its developers: please never completely stop your work on this excellent piece of software - unless it is to replace it with something even better. 
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Lol, don’t get greedy
Renoise already offers almost anything you need. If there was an update soon, i think i wouldn’t install it. To be honest, i don’t like those “overfeatured” all in one DAWs. The more features you you add,
the more ressources you need and the more unstable and confusing a programm might become.
Sure, sometimes it would be cool having the possibility of horizontal editing, or at least looking at a sample curve like you have in Ableton or cubase, instead of watching at a floating code.
VST3 support, multi-language support and a more powerful Sample editor might also be nice.
But it’s still a Tracker and not a sequencer, that’s why i have chosen renoise.
I’ve been using renoise since 2.7, and i think i still haven’t discovered all of its opportunities. So update for what? Its powerful, it’s stable, and there is only one bug making me trouble sometimes.
Sometimes Renoise refuses to start, if a former connected sound source / sounddriver has been removed or is in use. It should start anyways, and after that you might be able to select a new one.
But thats the only prob i experienced up to now
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The only thing I care about is that it will work on next operating systems, I like it the way it is.
I’m going back to my little studio, I listened to DJ Hidden’s music, and Outside Agency got me really inspired 
Thanks for the great music man!
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Hey, that’s me.