I just updated my post with fundamental features missing, above. See it as a roadmap for the upcoming renoise version. Also updated my final piano roll payoff. It’s obligatory read for all daw devs worldwide!
My prognosis 
Renoise: Difficult to milk this cow any further without trying to compete with conventional DAWs, which might be a task that is too big. However, there are details in the production aspect that has been overseen and could be improved (mixing console, more dsp chain modularity, m/s capabilities as mentioned earlier). Not sure this will lead to a significantly bigger market share, though. Chances are devs will continue focusing on the sampler/instrument as this will benefit redux as well. In other aspects, updates will probably be “nice” but probably not revolutionary or truly expanding the software as this would take too much dev time.
Redux: Will be streamlined to also act as a replacement for piano rolls in other DAWs (modern reViSiT). Great times and everything is forgiven.
Joule, i am afraid that you reflected taktik s thoughts quite exactly… :X
Well, I want to add here three ways to get more customers, let the perception of renoise become less a niche product :
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make tracker view more graphical (mouse movable note bars etc), say bye bye to hex numbers, since you already lost here 1 billion customers. Make it an optional hex nerd/nostalgic jerk feature. The also means all automation to the graph, yes.
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make at least minimal efforts to marketing, do cross promotions etc. No, just a news post to kvr is not enough. Maybe go to Musikmesse?
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demo version needs more restrictions, getting rendering possibilities only isn’t enough stimulus for most users. Add a 30-day time limit for saving a song for example. Something that u can get for free is nothing worth to the people, the freeware Paradoxon
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renoise can compete with major daws, even now.
Another brainstorming idea that most people probably find outlandish, but that I think potentially could increase the user base would be an intelligent arpeggiator integrated to the DAW. In other words, adding “chord recognition” to phrases or some kind of indexed note references when triggering phrases. With proper presets, Renoise could be used for ultra rapid prototyping of full arrangements (i e, striking a full arrangement by just entering a C major chord). Other DAWs are lacking in this area, but I’ve found that tools like these are major creativity boosters (varranger2, hw arrangers and “casio keyboards”).
I find it very interesting this post!I think many people are aware of the next version of Renoise, because version 3.1really is a joy, and people want more. Renoise is superb!We all want more,because it’s worth follow through.
I miss 3 things as priorities:
- A Advanced Automation Editor for editing ultrafast (before asking other heavier things better refine the existing ones).
2)A Native Arpeggiator , loaded in the section of track effects, in bottom frame (I will try to create a screenshot with this issue and I’ll upload).
3)A shortcut to compose a second song based on the first song finalized. Something that facilitates the creation of an album, with several songs that use the same instruments, same effects, etc.
- A fast function to erase the entire contents of tracks (the content written only, the notes, not the tracks).
- A fast function to erase the entire patterns ,leaving only the first pattern.
- …in order to start a second new song with the intact layout of the first song,in order to keep the same sound It would be like quickly create a template based on a completed song (with all fixed) to start another song again and to give continuity to an album of songs.
About point two (native arpeggiator):https://forum.renoise.com/t/native-arpeggiator-concept-for-renoise/45854 :rolleyes:
My “most wanted” list:
- Envelope Segment Shapes Everywhere – in the automation lane and all custom envelopes. (So shape is a property of the point (defining the preceding segment), not the whole envelope. A couple curves and a Hold would cover it).
- Tension handles on curve-shape segments. (Meaningless on Hold segments)
- Per-parameter automation muting.
- Expose all keyboard scopes for binding (FX list, Sample list, Automation list, etc.)
And no goddam Piano Roll!
(Joking, of course. A vertical piano roll would be pretty awesome.)
But considering the development resources it’d eat up, I doubt it’s worth it.
Development on everything else would probably cease for the foreseeable future.
Faster instruments envelopes, iow less then 1 ms per breakpoint , bezier curves .
- More filter options .
fxck it, make music.
fxck it, make music.
With that attitude, we’d all still be banging sticks on hollow logs 
(But the spirit of your post stands: fixating on feature-requests is a recipe for No Music Made)
My wishlist:
Clearness from the devteam.
My wishlist:
Clearness form the devteam.
I don’t want a clearness form from the devteam. Hate to fill out forms.
haha… sorry for the typo… and thanks for noticing me
My wishlist:
Clearness from the devteam.
Actually I really like it by now. We’re here guessing shit every time with the team being shy about telling new stuff, but still every release is a mindblowing experience for most of us.
My faith in them is rock solid by now
So, where is it? I logged into backstage…
So, where is it? I logged into backstage…
Hope soon because i’m again in stage where want to sell Renoise 
So great DAW and lacks in so basic things 
Hope soon because i’m again in stage where want to sell Renoise
So true …it’s a pitty that Renoise gets more and more fancy features, but a lot of basic features are not covered since years. But it’s still the best tracker DAW out there.
Not attempting to address more than one issue at a time, but isn’t phrase editor sort of a roll your own arpeggiator? And doesn’t midi routing allow for us to use any one of the full-featured sequencers out there? I think every feature implemented is not only a great push forward in workflow, but also an implicit answer to this road map question. As has been mentioned before, I have the utmost repect and trust in the devs. Let’s take the passenger seat, because we’ll get to control the radio, and enjoy the scenery. I’m not saying opening up the GPS and helping the driver everyonce in a while should be discouraged but it would bug the hell out of me if I was the driver on a roadtrip, and the passengers were constantly telling me how my self-built hot rod is missing the features of a souped up sportscar.
Any chance to see a quick fix intermediaterelease soon? 
Any chance of hearing anything at all from the devs on Renoise development or even some vague statements about their own preferences and priorities?
No.
At least not in this day and age.
The main reason for this situation seems to bethat 2% of the Renoise userbase is so%X#* and will cry like little children if theyinterpret things and anticipatefeatures to come(“You promised!”) that actuallywon’t happen for whatever reason.
Simple truth: They can’t handle it. And the devs can’t handle that they can’t handle it.
That’s probably why the devs seem to considerit more important to make sure these2% userswill STFU than tooffer some harmless informationto98% of the userbase who can handle information properly.
It’s really sad, especially with such a niche product. We can only hope that Renoise devs will someday re-consider their policy.