Soundcloud (account deleted)

Someone used the vocals from the track below is an intro for his track and his (pro) account was deleted without any warning in advance. There’s obviously no possibility to talk to any human. It’s like Don Quixote fighting against (electronic) windmills

The account was not delete because of any copyright infringements, but because of hate speech :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

So be careful what you upload to soundcloud or better look for an alternative.

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I’m not defending SoundCloud, because it’s an absolute shitshow of a website these days that is completely flooded with spam bots and other ridiculously annoying fake accounts, and I will be deleting my own account quite soon due to such frustrations and the lack of support/action over things that I constantly report which are never taken care of…

But… it does seem a bit unlikely that “someone” had his entire account immediately deleted purely because of this one particular track that you’ve mentioned.

If you search SoundCloud for that particular video clip title, you can find a few different examples of people who sampled the same thing, and their tracks have survived for many years without any apparent interference:

I’ve seen/heard far worse and more offensive things on SoundCloud that have existed for years without any obvious problems, and I bet there’s a lot of other people who’ve sampled similar speeches by Werner Herzog discussing all sorts of human behaviour and existential dread…

So maybe there was a bit more going on here with “someone” ?

Who exactly are we talking about and what exactly was the track in question?

Just curious to learn a bit more…


The original post is here:

Maybe they "improved* their algorithms?

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Neither Soundcloud, nor any platform can take down any intellectual material if it includes a fragment or a part of other (Copyrighted) product by their bult-in bots. II think that someone has reported it several times.

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Could indeed be a new tweak to their system that just hasn’t taken older posts into consideration (yet?)…

Honestly, who knows what the hell is going on with these clowns anymore.

The site had so much potential when it first appeared, but now it’s just a fucking mess.

Any time I post anything new, I’m immediately spammed by a barrage of pay2win bots promoting some shitty paid likes/subs “service”, using some stolen “hot” girl profile image and a URL in the banner, commenting useless shit on thousands of random tracks.

It takes me ages to block/report all of them… and SC seems to do absolutely nothing with my reports… all of the reported accounts continue to exist for years and carry on with their bullshit.

It’s complete trash and I will not miss it.


I had two of my original tracks downloaded 3 years ago and re-released on Spotify by an artist with different titles from the original ones. Two months ago i found them by accident in there and i had to report those Manually to Spotify, Apple and all music services so they can remove them. The bots that can detect a sound print work only with Youtube Content ID. For other services, you need to do that manually by filing them an appeal with proves and stuff that this (intellectual object) belongs to you so they can take actions.

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Nice one, thanks.

For those like me who maybe had a bit of difficulty with the forum (perhaps not embedding things correctly for random/unregistered visitors, not sure?..) here’s a quick link to the YouTube track in question:

Very odd stuff indeed… and I would never imagine that this would trigger any sort of hate speech filters… but again, who knows…

Since I really don’t give a shit about my own SC account anymore, I’m actually a bit tempted to rip the same exact sample and put it over a stupid track of my own, just to see if SC responds in a similar fashion.

Could be fun!

Let’s see how I feel after a few more ciders :slight_smile: :beer:


What do you use instead? Audius?

Thanks @lilith for mentioning…

What happened: A few minutes after uploading my last track to my SC Pro account I got a message like “we cannot find this user” and a notification from SC with these content:

We are writing to you today to let you know that your account has been permanently removed on the grounds of being dedicated to violating our Terms of Use and Community Guidelines which state:
(viii) You must not use the Platform to upload, post, store, transmit, display, copy, distribute, promote, make available or otherwise communicate to the public:
Any Content that is abusive, libellous, defamatory, pornographic or obscene, that promotes or incites violence, terrorism, illegal acts, or hatred on the grounds of race, ethnicity, cultural identity, religious belief, disability, gender, identity or sexual orientation, or is otherwise objectionable in SoundCloud’s reasonable discretion;
When an account is removed for violating these Terms, your account, tracks, followers and stats are removed from our platform and you are permanently banned from returning to SoundCloud.
We take the security of our community very seriously and we hope that you can understand that SoundCloud is a place for people to share content that respects our Terms of Use and Community Guidelines.

So I replied back two times, linked the Werner Herzog comment on Youtube, quoted it’s text (wich includes the relevant? words “anger, collective murder, violence, humility, fury”) and asked for a review. The answer (04:22 on Friday) was a reference to their first mail:

Here at SoundCloud we uphold the safety of users as a top priority, and recognise the users’ freedom of speech and expression, thus we always strive to be fair and objective in our decision making.
Your account has been taken down for objectionable content, and after further review we have deemed your account to be in breach of our Terms of Use. Your account will remain suspended and when an account is terminated for violating these terms, your account, tracks, followers and stats are removed from our platform and you are permanently banned from returning to SoundCloud.
For more information on the which terms were breached, please refer to our previous email.
Please note that SoundCloud reserves the right to suspend any accounts immediately without prior warning that we believe to be dedicated to violating activity.

After this my last reply was a bit harsh ; )

can you please respond to the questionable content? There is simply no content which would be able to breach your Terms of Use in any objectionable way.
The used content contains a kind of philosophical comment from Werner Herzog to the jungle and feature his ambivalent conflict with nature. Your AI instance was obviously triggered f.i. by the word “collective murder” and took an unsupervised decision without taking attention to the context (I quoted the text in my last reply). It’s decision based obviously on a misinterpretation, it seems that it’s just comparing bad words. This is so obviously a faulty behavior of AI so can you please let a human employe take a look on it.
I built up my account over several years and in the face of it’s scope it may not be important for you to invest some human attention to this case but this is such an absurd example of bad algorithms that I wanna give you the opportunity to reflect this before making it public.

My suggestion of the “hate speech” classification was caused due my attempt to feed the support chatbot with this issue and all what I get back was this notice (but this could be a random answer of course):

Content policies - What content we do not allow on the platform Hate speech […]

That’s all.
In 2018 I had a refused track wich I tried to upload two times but even if SC is summing up such cases the point here is elsewhere.

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OK… I blatantly slapped the sample over an old track and let it play for a while so it should be clear enough to hear… Used some relevant keywords… Etc…

@Shellfish @lilith Let’s see what happens! :slight_smile:

I’ll update this post if anything changes…

Edit: As predicted… SECONDS after posting this fucking spambot comes at me: :angry:


Awesome! Let’s see if I get banned for reposting :joy:

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I’m curious what happens, but I bet it’s absolutely nothing. Business as usual. :point_up:

I really hope you had the opportunity to visit him to say thank you in person…
Subhumans like this are the reason why quite a lot of people are quitting making music.

That’s a very good idea and that’s exactly what I did the recent minutes. Luckily I was mostly spared of bots and I don’t have many songs online, so it doesn’t take long to block them. I just had to block 3 followers and a couple of bots which liked my songs or reposted them. Now there’s not a single bot following me anymore, just honest followers who like my stuff. But however the likes seem to remain, they’re still there. And you’re absolutely right, MusicMilk is everywhere on Soundcloud. If I didn’t know better I would have to think that every 5th user is a MusicMilk bot. And there are also other bots with the always same image just like:

That’s a very good question. Unfortunately nothing else is built like Soundcloud. If somebody knows a really good alternative, let me know. I already checked several sites, but nothing seems to be equal to Soundcloud. So I think Bandcamp is the only serious alternative, but you’ll need a paypal business account to make it work.

That would be interesting to know. Does Soundcloud summarize such cases? Around 12 years ago I had a “copyright case” with one of my own compositions right after uploading. They told me it’s just a standard procedure and in the end everything was fine, nothing happened. It was my very own composition made with my own instruments and some sampled drums. But if Soundcloud is working just like fucking eBay, I wouldn’t be surprised if they saved this case in their system for unjust future actions.

Could be that Audius is the next big thing. But not possible to upload anything for me at the moment.
It’s also possible to easily repost to TikTok with Audius.

Sianna is HAWTTT (for a bot)

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I was not impressed when I tried Audius. I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt for riding the crypto band-wagon, because the idea wasn’t bad in itself, but in execution I find it pretty questionable.

Compared to Soundcloud, Audius feels much more boxed-in. The site is slow and clunky, and to find new tracks you really have to manually dig through other user’s favorites. I tried listening to suggestions and trending playlists, but it seems like no matter how I use them I get served 90% hip-hop with the occasional EDM track. If that’s what you like to listen to, that’s fine, but Soundcloud provides way better suggestions based on what tracks were played/liked by the same users, which makes browsing relatively easy.

I even tried making myself a tool with the Audius API, but I discovered there is no way to query for a list of users who liked a track, all you get is the total number of likes. I had to get by with querying the artist’s likes. Pretty limiting. Without these sorts of features, I don’t think Audius will able to support niche groups the way Soundcloud has been able to. A single trending category is not really good enough. Maybe one day they will address these issues, but honestly, it seems like the developers have lost interest. haven’t seen any updates to the API for years, and it really should be the biggest selling point of an open platform like this.

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Yes, that’s right. I’m not able to upload a track since 3 days.

They took those tracks down after (investigation).

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Well, here we are 2+ weeks later after this experiment where I posted a track using the same sample as you…

My silly track is still up there and doing just fine.

My SC account is still active, and I haven’t encountered any major drama or backlash regarding this particular Werner Herzog sample that you believe to be the trigger…

@lilith who reposted me also seems to be doing just fine with their account, so I presume that there’s no major drama with them, either.

I honestly don’t know how SC handles these matters internally, so I suppose your particular situation is a bit of a mystery here, but perhaps there’s a bit more going on somewhere/somehow?

Maybe there’s some previous drama that affected your account and their decisions? Who knows…

Sucks that you had to endure this nonsense anyway…


Soundcloud was really great when it started (15 years ago) and was targeting musicians and collaboration between them mainly (e.g. the inbox feature to send people tracks was pretty cool). Since they started trying to be a Spotify contender (around the time they rewrote the entire interface), they don’t have much going on for them.

There are no really good alternatives. For actual releases there is of course BandCamp, which is great (but bought by Epic, so we have to see how things develop). Then there is, which used to be a good alternative a while back, but I am not sure how it is doing nowadays…


I use Audius, and I made a Gameboy remake of Iron Maiden’s The Trooper. They claim they don’t censor anything but the that particular track goes completely silent every time I upload it, after a couple of days.

What kind of bullshit is that?

Soundcloud has never censored my track: