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[vvoois (vV)]

Vvoois: its nice to hear that BPM issue is solved in next version… can i ask what method was used for solving it?

You can ask, but the answer won’t be coming earlier than next month.

There are tons of ways to circumvent the demo restrictions which I’m not gonna elaborate on here.

I believe in H2o’s credo: try before buy

and I’m defenitely getting a legal copy of Renoise.

From my own personal opinion:i wouldn’t even really care if the credo would be “always try and never buy” for those who seriously ain’t got any dime to spare, but then again i would rather see those people in that income-area try to win a legal copy in the BeatBattle compo’s first.
And:What’s saving a few months of ping-ping for Renoise in contrast to saving a few years for the 500 buckazoid steriod applications?

[Ledger]

1. The ability to change the sample start of a sample. I know you can do sample offsets, but isn’t each sample split into 256 parts? Surely you lose accuracy with longer samples? Being able to adjust the sample start, like in Kontakt for example, would be really sweet for layering -it can be a pain trying to sort out phase problems with sample offsets.

Don`t know if this might be useful for you in some situations?

http://www.tritonedigital.com/phasetone.htm

[Jonas (Djeroek)]

“n contrast to saving a few years for the 500 buckazoid steriod applications?”

yeah, true. I’ve tried a lot of these ‘professional’ programs… (in fact I collect all music programs… from the C64 - Amiga to the pc) and find tracking the most intuitive way to get my means across… I wouldn’t possibly know how to achieve certain things in let say cubase, that are a few keyboard clicks away in a tracker.
The only thing even more flexible then renoise, in terms of possibilities, that I’m getting in now, is Max/Msp. You can literally do any abstract idea you might have, only limited by your own fantasy. I would love to be able to create my own tracking object in Max/MSp. As a mather of fact, I want to do this seriously… Imagine the modular possibilities of a tracker in max/msp, that would be sick
xcuse, for the dabble, …

[choice]

they tend to get very stupid faces if you tell them your track has 122.009856 bpm. sounds more funny than it is.

hah!!!

i only removed that comment out of context because i know how much of a problem it created for you. thats gotta be a real pain. i certainly dont envy that task!

is it really go that far Looza? i mean does it really go 6 places behind the decimal?

[choice]

“n contrast to saving a few years for the 500 buckazoid steriod applications?”

yeah, true. I’ve tried a lot of these ‘professional’ programs… (in fact I collect all music programs… from the C64 - Amiga to the pc) and find tracking the most intuitive way to get my means across… I wouldn’t possibly know how to achieve certain things in let say cubase, that are a few keyboard clicks away in a tracker.
The only thing even more flexible then renoise, in terms of possibilities, that I’m getting in now, is Max/Msp. You can literally do any abstract idea you might have, only limited by your own fantasy. I would love to be able to create my own tracking object in Max/MSp. As a mather of fact, I want to do this seriously… Imagine the modular possibilities of a tracker in max/msp, that would be sick
xcuse, for the dabble, …

JONAS! you have got to get away from max/msp!@!!! IT GONNA IMPLODE!!@!#

go toward PD or SC3, i was chatting with some guys about getting a tracker interface going in sc3. an using sc3 as the dsp. you have got to ditch max/msp!!

your synthes are created in realtime from synthe definitions, when they are not being used they are killed. your synth defs are just txt files in a folder.

[looza]

I dont know, I am too lazy and drunk to check atm (I am at the breakpoint) and k303 told me today that the next version wont have that problem … hooray !

Edit :No version numbers please

[Dr_Skunk]

The problem is that there are only 2 bytes available to describe the offset. The command used to specify the offset is 09xx, where xx runs from 00 to FF (256 values). So, currently the whole sample is mapped onto 256 values. So, we must find another way to map a sample.

There have been discussion in the Ideas & Suggestions forum about this. One way would involve a automatable meta device, which increases the number of values. I don’t know what the resolution would be, 16, 32 or even more bit, but not one would really solve this problem, because a sample can have virtually unlimited length compared to such resolutions (some filesystems limit files to 4 GB, or 16 GB, and in some cases even to terabytes).

To overcome the mapping problem, we could for example do something like this. Nobody needs to access all positions in the sample (except for the timestretch trick). You only want to set a few important points somewhere in the sample in the Sample Editor or Instrument Editor. There has to be a meta device where you can store those points to presets (256 should now be enough, right?). Then, you can access the stored points for use in the pattern. This is generally called the Markers/Regions solution. The downside is that you can not do this on the fly; you’d have to set up points first.

I hope you can now understand that sample offset is no easy matter.

Thanks for taking the time to explain it properly

I don’t know much about trackers or programming but I can see that it would be very difficult to impliment…

Not a huge problem anyway.

[ermi]

Ok, one of the fields where Renoise could and should improve is live recording. I’m not talking about audio, but recording of notes. Of course the sub-tick timing needs to be there… but also:

1. Overwriting the track while looping the pattern.
2. Recording different samples (like, of a drumkit) to different tracks, possibly with specific quantize functions for each track.

One annoyance that I encountered most often: ‘Generate drumkit’ resetting the basenotes (details…).

[looza]

Edit :No version numbers please

oops, sorry. didnt know that.

[Transcender]

What are your major issues and pains with this Software?

I have only two major pains with Renoise, but they are really MAJOR:

1. The BPM is inaccurate, so rendered tracks are virtually useless for further polishing in Cubase, Logic, etc (they will be completely out of sync at some point).

2. The render-to-disc feature itself adds some random silence at the beginning of the WAV’s – you have to manually cut/delete that silence in an audio-editor such as Wavelab or Soundforge.

[AVB]

why not increase the resolution by a power of 16 ?

FFF instead of FF ?

this is an interesting one.

[xerxes]

the BPM thing is pretty crucial i agree… with that fixed, i can work around most other problems ppl are talking about here.

cheers,
.x

[keith303]

how could i forget to mention PDC?
the most striking thing which renoise lacks is definately the plugin delay compensation… i have some really nice plugins which are unusable because of it.
so if i had a free wish, i would use it for the implementation of that nasty compensation thingy.

[keith303]

i was not complaining, i was posting ontopic and mentioned something which hasn’t been posted so far in this thread and the thread-starter asked for present flaws and i found PDC to be one of the at the moment.
what is upcoming or on the TO-DO is another thing in my opinion.
and honestly, i am probably the last person trying to scare away anybody from renoise.

[Chris_Edberg]

welcome wormjar.

pain:
keyjazz (type of chord-record)
bpm
vst-management

Don’t know what you mean with vst management (which vst management), but the other two issues will be a lot less painfull or completely solved in the next edition.

Will the BPM issue be solved?! Thats great news…

[looza]

it will be … hooray. (and thats a fact)

[Rick_Hoekman]

1. The BPM is inaccurate, so rendered tracks are virtually useless for further polishing in Cubase, Logic, etc (they will be completely out of sync at some point).

There is a plugin in Logic that can analyze the BPM of the rendered wave files in realtime accurately. Look in the Plugin’s Helper section.

[vvoois (vV)]

1. The BPM is inaccurate, so rendered tracks are virtually useless for further polishing in Cubase, Logic, etc (they will be completely out of sync at some point).

There is a plugin in Logic that can analyze the BPM of the rendered wave files in realtime accurately. Look in the Plugin’s Helper section.

Yes but with Renoise rendered wave-files this seem to take the same amount of time Steven Spielberg needed to render his Dinosaurs for The Lost World etc.

[Rick_Hoekman]

1. The BPM is inaccurate, so rendered tracks are virtually useless for further polishing in Cubase, Logic, etc (they will be completely out of sync at some point).

There is a plugin in Logic that can analyze the BPM of the rendered wave files in realtime accurately. Look in the Plugin’s Helper section.

Yes but with Renoise rendered wave-files this seem to take the same amount of time Steven Spielberg needed to render his Dinosaurs for The Lost World etc.

What do you mean? within 10 seconds it has the BPM…

[J_Swift]

few features i could use right now

• ability to import and export patterns, w/ relevant samples, instruments, tracks, etc…

so let’s say you’ve spent an afternoon cutting up a difficult break for a tune, and you’ve spent ages on compression, programming, eq, etc…

i’d like to be able to import and export it to other tunes i may want to try it out in… so it’d add the needed tracks and fill in spare sample slots, and remap the pattern data accordingly

then i could have a folder of pre-cutup and sequenced breaks, think “i know, i’d like to try a hotpants break in this tune” and 2 button clicks it’d be there

• track/pattern hierarchy

things can get messy with too many tracks, samples and patterns about - maybe this could make the previous idea easier to implement - you have macros

so a pattern with its own tracks and fx settings, etc… can be called by the main event list… an X-400 could call a drum break which uses 6 tracks of its own

or just collapsable track folders so you can hide a lot of data away

• find the samples can get messy, so maybe a folder system - maybe just 1, 2, 3 and 4 like with the disk section - so i can keep my drum sounds together, samples together, etc… so i’ve got 4 separate instrument lists

• more stereo control

i’d like to be able to convert to mono and choose whether i keep the left, the right, or mix the left and right together

plus, why not a swap l & r option too

• invert sample data

• copy a sample to 16 available slots instantly

• (this would REALLY help) in the sample editor i can lay down “flags” - like the start/end loop points - i’ve got maybe 32 of these max - maybe unlimited… so i go through my breakbeat or performance, placing these flags, being able to slide them left and right, add them or take them away… then a simple button press chops the sample up at all of these points and lays the individual, cut-up samples out into spare sample slots

plus, to make life quicker and easier, an option to lay out flags on a grid - you enter grid value, like 16, and it places 16 flags, equally spaced along the sample so that if i’ve trimmed a 1 bar breakbeat, i only need to adjust the cut points a little to the left or right to get it tight

make it so