Very Nice... So Far...

oh yeah, screw the mouse, my biggest complaint with the latest update is that we’ve gone a little “fiddly” with the mouse controls

find the new pattern list a serious pain in the arse tbh - is there really no way to do the old left button increases, right button decreases thing? it just takes me a hell of a lot longer to do arrangements now and i don’t understand why they’d change such a simple and effective interface - now it takes dual mouse/keyboard, RSI-inducing action… maybe this is why i’m finding myself arranging more in SX3 at the moment - it’s verging on the side of not being a tracker interface at the moment

it’s great when you work with a sequencer like the QY-700, and you’re 100% buttons - you forget how elaborate and inefficient the mouse interface can be

900 offset’s alright for some breaks, but with any significant tempo changes - i.e. going from 100BPM to 172BPM, subtle, loose timing turns into lazy/skipped notes or missed transients

if you have to get into detailed 900 offset, 09f2 0934 etc… it gets fiddly again… and of course, a lot of the time you need to split the break up so you’ve got control over different envelope and filter settings and things

sometimes a very very slight delay on the snare can make a drum loop sound lazy - and a very, very on time snare - where you’ve got the bassdrum a little late because of its lower frequency attack transient, can make a break sound eager and fast… so you do need wave control over these things really

there is a lot of mouse clicking involved at the moment unfortunately - in fact, SX in this case actually is more efficient because there’s the scissors tool - so cutting up a break into 16 pieces takes 16 mouse clicks

there’s no reason renoise couldn’t do this even better

oh yeah, screw the mouse, my biggest complaint with the latest update is that we’ve gone a little “fiddly” with the mouse controls

I can’t tell you HOW MUCH I agree with this.

f**** the mouse.

I think it’s good to have the mouse more involved besides the key short-cuts.
not for us knowledged trackers, but for newcommers it’s easier to blend in.

I agree that the mouse should be more left behind when it comes to value input.

maybe stand on a slider to fine-adjust a delay while playing, by a key cobination with the arrows.

well i suppose you can have the option to use a mouse as well/instead - but things like the arranger have got so much more fiddly that i actually find myself working in a different way and exporting more into SX

(imo) in many ways the 1.2x era of renoise was more fluid to work with - i love the new look and the new sound, but i’m noticably less productive with it… i also found the kbrd shortcuts in the 1.2 era much more intuitive - i’ve tried to match them with this build but some things seem to have changed - used to have a very useful play/record/stop toggle which doesn’t seem to function the same now

i’m still campaigning to get rid of that pointless real time annalyzer too… it’s just a chaotic mess - the bars looked so much slicker and gave you a much better impression of what was going on

:guitar:

http://www.voxengo.com/product/SPAN/

freeware!