Must bestimulating to maintain some 17+ yearsof C++code and get a shitload oflolcats in return.
Could it be that taktik is actually coding everything inLOLCODEthese days because of this?
HAI 1.2
CAN HAS STDIO?
PLZ OPEN FILE "LOLCATS.TXT"?
AWSUM THX
VISIBLE FILE
O NOES
INVISIBLE "ERROR!"
KTHXBYE
Back ontopic: Isn’t thistopic itself asummertime phenomenon here at renoise.com?It seems to get back in some shape or form every summer!
So maybe a community effort to maintain a non-official “FAQ” could make things easier to new users (and old users who need to express their concerns over and over again in loopmode)?
You know, collecting all the official statements and other interesting comments from the team and devs, listing the most frequent user requests, stuff like that.
It seems to me that Renoise took simple but very effective concept of a classical tracker, kept building around it and may be reaching the end of what can be intuitively and elegantly added to it. I doubt there is going to be any paradigm shift in the future.
Seem to me that Renoise took simple but very effective concept of a classical tracker, kept building around it and may be reaching the end of what can be intuitively and elegantly added to it.
Nope. High resolution support could be “elegantly added”
It works, it does what it says it will do on the website, whats next, nothing, you paid your money and got what you paid for, Renoise was never going to have much further forward thrust without a traditional arranger and piano roll, the mainstream world wants those and thats where the money is in terms of sales.
It would be nice if the next version has audio warping (preserve pitch, that is) and the ability to send midi clock to all available midi ports seen by the driver (not just one, as it is now). Renoise could well change dramatically, and still stay a tracker.
My appeal to the developers is to make Renoise available as a VSTi in the same way that FLStudio does.
At least it means that the best tracker environment in the world is available inside whichever DAW you are using to get a project done.
Hm, tracker as VSTi in a DAW sucks imo. There were such approaches already. I more am missing Renoise FX as a VST and VSTi/VST support in Redux, so I can 1:1-load my projects into it, including all my fancy Renoise FX settings
I agree that VSTs in Redux would be handy. I would use it for creating instruments by mixing synths with samples and then plugin grab it. Now i would have to plugin grab a synth first and then add the samples in Redux.
The better option howevever would be to make it possible to plugin grab the samples as well as the VSTs in Renoise.
How does a tracker as vsti inside another DAW suck?
It is certainly more convenient than Rewire, does Rewire also suck in your opinion?
Im a professional musician who now has to use Cubase, Live etc for projects but I grew up with trackers. Renoise is the best tracker I have ever used so being able to integrate it with the DAW I am using for more scoring to picture features would be amazing for me. It wouldn’t suck.
I was thinking about a “modular” approach. There is Redux, basically the sampler inside Renoise. Then there could also be a MIDI Generator VSTi, being the plain pattern/sequence part of Renoise. And then finally the Renoise FX, being available as VST fx. So one compiling would generate 4 apps at once, or at least using the same codebase. I wouldn’t deny if Renoise was available as VSTi, too, but that won’t happen because there is Redux and Rewire as you said.
It would be the same, really. You still would need to switch back and forth between two applications. And we also couldn’t save the entire Renoise song as state within the host, cause Renoise songs are too big to be handled by the host.
Also there’s no way to start/stop/navigate the host’s timeline from within a plugin. You’d need to switch back to your host every time you want to start playing in Renoise, which would be really really awkward.
If Redux doesn’t cut it, give ReWire a chance. Or bounce all your patterns / tracks in Renoise and simply use them in other software as raw audio data.
Is a Renoise song necessarily too big for state save? How does ReDux manage this?
If I’m using VSTi in Renoise then the mods can be quite small. Consider Kontakt for example; when you save a project then any Kontakt instance will be state saved with the instrument minus its sample data. Maybe Renoise could do something like this by pointing to the module on host project save and fetch it when that renoise instance is loaded again on host project load?
Regarding the transport issue. I did not appreciate that the host could not be controlled by the VSTi. For me it would not be a problem to use the host to set transport though.
Essentially what I miss in ReDux is the full pattern editor. I find triggering Phrases via midi very cumbersome for the work I do.
The only issue I have with rewire is file management. It’s a small but very inconvenient nuisance to load the song manually in Renoise, and really keep file management tidy.
I’m wondering if it would be technically possible to report something to the API regarding the rewire master+project, so it would be possible to make a tool that asks if the appropriate .xrns should be loaded… That would make me go all in for using Renoise as rewire slave.
