Wishes for next releases

The cow-synth example on that page sounded pretty cool, but the bass and flute synth was literally just a bass and flute played at the same time. I don’t think we gotta worry about this particular AI starting Judgment Day.

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My little wish would be simply a rock-solid Midi Drag&Drop, if you aren’t familiar with the current issues you can read up here:

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Where is taktik? What is happening? World spinned over 365 times already… And there are some annoying bugs with sidechain. How can we increase your motivation?

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Native delete unused dsp option

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I know right, paging @taktik - any updates at all yet?

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Not going to rant much but… Renoise has so much potential with practical 0 competition in the market and yet I feel like this thing is almost legacy software at this point. With the same issues AFX ranted a decade ago still present (like the render thing) and lots of DSP and workflow to catch up. It’s good for nostalgia but bad for creativity, honestly. Like the colleague up there commented, what can we do to increase your motivation? i’m asking in good faith.

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in some places, of course, there are not enough fixes with meta devices. it requires discussion in terms of sound design. since some of the meta devices and envelopes do not have very accurate response. in general, I still use it as a technique, but if these points were slightly adjusted, it would noticeably benefit.

I’m more and more inclined to think that renoise needs a container (window) for lua plugins. that is, it could be both processing effects in the mixer and just real-time synthesizers in the sample operation section.

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AFX = Aphex Twin?? He was in the forum here?

Detailed, searchable; documentation.

Thanks for Renoise! = )

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not really, he just made a comment once about PlayerPRO and pointed out some things he considered an issue in Renoise.

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Well, maybe they are bored by Renoise and it’s old code base or something…

The issues he was talking about were implemented?Or rather the render issue.Works 100 per cent for me?

Wishes for next release

A release… a release of any kind; or at least something, anything to show a sign of life.

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It was never properly addressed, sadly. Glad it works 100% for you even tho I don’t know if you understood what the problem is since I didn’t provide further explanation but you can find some threads here about the said issue (resampling/render to sample issues), it’s no big secret and it’s a Renoise issue, not a user issue, Taktik even gave an explanation why the issue occurs in one of the recent threads about it.

Huh, I’ve never had any resampling/rendering issues… Is this with VSTs or something? Native resampling is always flawless in my experience

Its so problematic in my experience that I almost always avoid using it. If you’re curious about it I created a thread about it not long ago, I provide a deep explanation of the problem and evidence (you even commented there). On top of that Taktik also provides important information that unfortunately isn’t present in Renoise’s manual.

Fortunately I now own Rolling Sampler but it’s 2023 and this whole process is properly implemented in most current DAWs like Bitwig, Ableton Live, etc. As a user I shouldn’t struggle with it neither I should have to constantly find workarounds to annoying limitations.

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I’m sorry to condescend, but I think you’re relatively new to renoise (user as of a few years ago) – an update every 1-3 years been how updates have worked with Renoise since 2010. They come slow, and they will never cover every feature requested, because this is a specialist product that is being built by a small team and offered at an incredible bargain for the power and focus you get.

Regarding your rendering issue: I looked back through the threads, and I’m not understanding your problem. The files that you uploaded have expired, so I cannot verify exactly what issue you were having.

I know several people (including me) who use the resample/render effect all the time with absolutely no problems (with very cpu-heavy signal chains)

Taktik responded to your initial bug report with a valid explanation (that you seemed happy with). Whatever the issue is that you’re having, I’m not seeing very much effort on your part to clarify, and there’s a lot of evidence that the render/resample behaves as documented.

Now, does that mean that it works exactly how you want? Maybe not, and I’m not saying that you should be happy with that, if that’s what the problem is. (I record vocals in renoise and boy can I tell you that the workflow leaves something to be desired.) I’m glad to hear that you found a work-around that supports your workflow.

The reason I’m addressing your points here is because I don’t appreciate the attitude that it brings to the forum. To say that renoise is legacy software is ridiculous – it supports ARM64 which is more than I can say for half of my vsts. Is it perfect? Of course not, renoise can never be everything for everyone, and I think the team is doing a pretty good job of striking a balance there.

What I don’t appreciate, with so much amazing software, and even better yet, so many resources to learn how to make your own software, truly, what is the value in complaining about the things you’ve been complaining about? (I wouldn’t describe what you’re doing here as seeking a solution, I’d be happy to help you if that’s what you’re looking for). What do you see these complaints as accomplishing?

And again, if you’re still having issues using the resampling/render functionality, start a new bug-report with a clearer demonstration of your issue. Or hell, PM me and I’ll happily work through the issue with you one on one, because I can tell you for sure that rendering natively in renoise works fine for me on all platforms (unless you are still having issues relating to your soundcard/ASIO driver, in which case I would make the same recommendations 2_daze_j did in that thread.)

My sincere request to you and others is: please be more mindful of the tone you bring into a pre-existing community. We want to help you make good music, and we want to have the best vibes in trying to do so :wink: If renoise isn’t cutting it, no hard feelings, there are other great DAWs/approaches out there. Otherwise, please be more careful about how you seek resolution to your problems, and save your nonconstructive negative opinions, they just make it an unpleasant space for nothing, honestly.

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Also, since it came up, here are the “complaints” I think people are referring to from Richard.

About PlayerPro though,Id like to write a chunk about that program.

Its very simple compared to modern things like Renoise BUT it had some advantages over it Here’s the main things I loved about Playerpro. You could drag instruments from the list on the right, directly into the arrangement window, this alone makes writing things SO much faster than say Renoise and SO much more fun and less ballache. I know you can play them in from the keyboard but you need both. Next is if you right click a note in the arrangement window, you get a list of possible column functions/FX AND notes with octaves, This is a really fast and intuitive way to program and most importantly edit things you played in. Ive tried in vain to make Renoise coders listen, help!

You could print plugin effects directly & destructively onto the sample, hence fr eeing up CPU but you could hear the effect first before you printed it. I’ve really pecked several people to do this and it did get finally done in Renoise but its still not as accurate as PP, gain is not handled correctly last time i checked, Renoise has that great highlight part of the arrangement thing but the gain doesn’t get worked out properly when you have a bunch of fx, be top if this is fixed now? The other reason this feature is so good and powerful is because most people these days setup EQs on each channel etc and they just sit there wasting CPU and most importantly the urge to carry on tweaking it always remains. You would be amazed how it can train your brain to get it right the first time when you are forced to make a decision about EQ and then can’t change it, a bit like with a digital camera, you just take loads of shit pictures of the same thing instead of one thats right, I’m generalising. But every sampler VST i’ve seen does this as well, its the wrong way to do it, all your plugins should be available in the sample editor to apply to samples, not on the mixer, well you need both. I think its because in the beginning of audio on DAWS, coders were fixated about replicating real mixing desks and recording bands but this didn’t take into account the new way people were going to start using DAW’s But even if you can’t take that discipline you could just have an undo history on the sample…so you wouldn’t have to re EQ the EQ if it were wrong…you could also have an amazing cpu guzzling EQ on every sound. It just doesn’t make any sense to have a live EQ on static samples…yet every DAW does this, unless I missed one? > Ive checked all of them and they all do that…frustrating when everyone goes down the same wrong road. Also helped code some really different sounding granular and FFT plugs for it which was the icing on the cake… But it was really limited so would prefer those functions in Renoise rather than resurrecting good old PP.

Not exactly sure what the first paragraph is about, but between the auto-detect instrument feature and the plethora of keyboard shortcuts, I have no issue quickly getting a specific instrument into the pattern editor.

As far as the “highlight part of the arrangement thing” goes – I have used this on several tracks recently for resampling various parts of a track, including the full pre-master bus mixdown, and I can verify that the gain is “correct” in that you get the exact gain that you have selected in the signal chain (this is for “Render to Sample” in pattern editor).

I have to admit, if I’m comprehending his last concept – that would be dope as fuck?? DSP system where all “effect units” are pre-rendered onto the sample before playback? The devil would be in the details, but it’s a really inspring concept!

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Sorry, first of all, let me clarify that I’m not interested in going into a “if you’re not happy with the software that you bought, just make yours” discussion because it’s honestly pathetic and this place is already full of them. Second of all, I wasn’t rude at any point and appreciate if you and everyone can be reasonable enough to understand that as a user I’m entitled to politely express my discontentment. My experience as a user is as valid as yours and as everyone else here and I feel honestly offended with this type of behavior that tries to invalidate other’s experiences just because they’re not according to what you expect or experience yourself.

This is not a cult, as far as I know I’m allowed to express my thoughts in a civilized way. Resampling is just one of the issues I had with Renoise and, no, I wasn’t happy with the explanation since it didn’t provide any solution, I was just glad to know that I wasn’t insane and that was indeed an annoying limitation in the software.

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I never called you rude, and indeed, I am here myself expressing my own discontentment at the way you are going about “expressing your discontentment” – I’m expressing that I don’t find it helpful and I wish you would consider going about it differently. You are entitled to disagree, and in response, you can choose to do whatever you want.