The Sp-1200 didnt get any Update for nearly 3 Decades now & is still State of the Art…just something to think about.
People did not bought it from E-mu Systems to get updates until “SP-1250”
Your license is valid for one full version. For example, if you start with Renoise 2.7 you’ll get updates up until, and including, 3.7. Our point releases pack features, not just maintenance updates. Check out our release notes and see for yourself what a great value this represents.
People use the SP-1200 to colour their samples, not because it’s a very capable sampler/sequencer feature-wise.
Tell that to Q - Tip & Lord Finesse -https://www.fatbeats.com/products/lord-finesse-the-sp1200-project-deluxe-edition-2xcd
Doesn’t care. Renoise have bugs, which needs to be fixed and sometimes was already fixed, but the bugfix version wasn’t released yet.
Renoise 2.8.2 has no Bugs & is a state of the art #working horse!..prove me wrong here, if u like…
People did not bought it from E-mu Systems to get updates until “SP-1250”
Sp - 1300 will be released in 2063, after Cochrane developed the first operating #Warp Drive.
Cheerz my fellow Renoisers,
u have 2 Admitt that All of ur
Arguments R just weak here
Cheerz my fellow Renoisers,
u have 2 Admitt that All of ur
Arguments R just weak here
Sp - 1300 will be released in 2063, after Cochrane developed the first operating #Warp Drive.
Let me just try to put this to rest.
No-one is doubting that Renoise could do with some more features. A sample based DAW that can’t warp, sync, stretch loops and samples? No real support for audio tracks? I’m sure there are more - some more subjective than others.
Also no-one is doubting that Renoise is the best out there at what it does, its rock solid, and a frankly amazing bit of software - and in it you can make some incredible music.
All this “where’s my update” vs “it’s perfect as it is” are moot. I’m sure if they could they’d be updating it regularly, but the market for trackers isn’t there.
Tell that to Q - Tip & Lord Finesse -https://www.fatbeats.com/products/lord-finesse-the-sp1200-project-deluxe-edition-2xcd
You want me to tell someone who uses the SP-1200 to colour his samples that he is using the SP-1200 to colour his samples? I am not following…
I however diagree on that ‘real’ support for audio tracks thing. Also that for warping and stretching and glitching there are a dime a dozen vst and au plugins that so it both for free and fee. Renoise and it’s workflow emphasizes a very old school or traditional sampling oriented workflow so much so that it feels like using a Groovebox hardware from the mid 90s running on today’s hardware capacity. Audio tracks I can definitely do without. Btw take a look at Akai MPC software and the workflow is very similar in concept of using pads visually abstracted as audio sample containers, which you fill using live recording or via sampling from vinyl of mp3. This can then be triggered as is or mapped on pitched keyboard. They can also be sliced and mapped on each pad.
I see Renoise doing all this superbly fast and then so much more. Also it can all be done without using a mouse hence accentuating and establishing the hardware oreinted feel. Everything from onscreen navigation to pattern creation to note entry and sample editing and mixing to rendering the song can be done via keyboard shortcuts. Show me another tool which shares so much with software and hardware grooveboxes and Beatmaking tools while still carrying its own unique interface and workflow without being another mimic.
Once you understand the sampling method of working or the tracking method of programming you will wean away from regular audio to a linear tape style recording. All DAWs do that audio track thing anyways both free and fee, even my phone app records all the shit I say to it, every phone call and all that and plays it back on a linear tape like file which is imported to an Android or iOS app that shows a waveform, big deal. I can do audio tracking on my phone as well. Night impossible to do pro grade tracking on either phone or iPad.
Please keep these points in mind. If a rock musician uses Renoise or MPC he is the first to be frustrated about lack of this and that, but for samplists and knob twiddlers and beatmakers Renoise is literally the embodiment of all things good on software especially for these genres. This also begs more of us to study and imbibe this style of production and learn both sampling and tracking hand in hand to fully complement your workflow. My suggestion is to stay away from the linear tape recorder method anyways as this is done from portable handheld recorders to phone apps so I truly and firmly believe that this can be made redundant with every device doing it for you and is also due to mostly every other DAW or app micmicking each other and also becos not everybody does music production as a hip hop samplist or vinyl digger. I get it, becos I see Renoise very clearly as a super tool for me personally. With render on selection and so many awesome features in Renoise built in I think most of the users are just intimidated by the features becos they need more discipline and study than the press record and play back style of music composition like a regular rock band style.
Another thing I get it is that many musicians among us want the immediate feedback thing with audio and for that the best investment is to buy a looper (not a pooper!). It will let you jam with yourself and improve your skills and also allow multitracking and audio sampling in the process, letting you combine live performance with tracked playback and in general work as a brilliant recording, performance and practice and ideas generating and experimenting tool. If you really feel that the complexity of Renoise is too much then a simple hardware looper from various brands like Zoom and Boss will do the trick for you. For the sampling and MPC type folks we do this already by sampling all performance data to pads and loop it or slice it and remix itt and replay it. However, the output of a looper can be also be sampled right? In this case a looper becomes another instrument for us. If minimal vinyl diggers can get so much out of such gear and software (MPC software also) it pays to ask oneself if your skills and expectations are really in line with either tracking or sampling? Maybe you are in love with Renoise but still inside of your mind you are a rock band and not a tracker musician really. You could complain that even grooveboxes are kinda out of the market for similar reasons, but as you see gear is back with vengeance. Renoise is very unique so studying it is the best thing you can do for yourself.
I however diagree on that ‘real’ support for audio tracks thing. Also that for warping and stretching and glitching there are a dime a dozen vst and au plugins that so it both for free and fee. Renoise and it’s workflow emphasizes a very old school or traditional sampling oriented workflow so much so that it feels like using a Groovebox hardware from the mid 90s running on today’s hardware capacity. Audio tracks I can definitely do without. Btw take a look at Akai MPC software and the workflow is very similar in concept of using pads visually abstracted as audio sample containers, which you fill using live recording or via sampling from vinyl of mp3. This can then be triggered as is or mapped on pitched keyboard. They can also be sliced and mapped on each pad.
You’ve kind of both misunderstood and illustrated my point. I’m saying renoise is what it is, and it’s great. But, like anything - it can be made better. Everything can improve. People need to stop wasting their energy on this forum avidly defending Renoise or bitching about the support.
You’ve read my comment to be a criticism, and leapt to Renoise’s defence. It isn’t - and as such I have no interest in demonstratinganother tool which shares so much with software and hardware grooveboxes and Beatmaking tools while still carrying its own unique interface.
But I’ll stand by the fact that being able to cut up loops, properly timestretch and warp natively in renoise would be great. The devs know how to make things work well, and I’d like to see their take on manipulating samples.
I feel you, and I am not being on the offense or defence here, but as I said there are dime a dozen options and vst support is a huge thing that opens a world of opportunities for any audio software including Renoise.
What some see as limitations others see it as a feature and a creative tool. Vst itself is an opportunity that is certainly not being well utilised if time stretching is still a complaint. Native support is all well and good. But what is the harm in utilising the innovation of another developer if the Renoise dev has provided an option for it? Most hardware systems are closed by design while Renoise embodies extensibility and compatibility. Renoise does more than any MPC gear or sampler in the market especially when you see it a fully featured sequencer and sampler package that also allows you do incorporate external features in the form of plugins. It’s both contemporary and classic without being outmoded.
I feel like it’s a movie that I already watched and I like the ending,which others are looking at the trailer and speculating how the story should end. If say Taktik leaves for good and no other feature comes ever for Renoise again for the next 10 years, I will be as happy as I am now because I will still have everything that I want and I will thank him for that. But that definitely puts me in a minority:)
Bug fixes and minor updates however I do require and recommend.
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I’m sure if they could they’d be updating it regularly, but the market for trackers isn’t there.
You’re sure? Really?
Did I miss a offical statement on Renoise.com or the forums here by a mod/dev?
You’re sure? Really?
Did I miss a offical statement on Renoise.com or the forums here by a mod/dev?
Not 100% sure what you mean, but what I mean is that if trackers were as popular as something like ableton there would probably a bigger team on it. At the moment Taktik is working on another project.
Is there a plan for Renoise? I haven’t yet understood what “another project” meant in the past year, it could be related to Renoise, it could be unrelated to Renoise.
You’re sure? Really?
Did I miss a offical statement on Renoise.com or the forums here by a mod/dev?
Dblue has recently replied with a similar question from a new user.The only and latest news is that Taktik is working on another project that is not Renoise. Until he finishes what he is doing, he will not return with Renoise.There is nothing more to add. It all depends on this person.
Meanwhile, those who need more features, it is appropriate to look at the tools available. Yes, many do not comply, others have a poor GUI and do not like them, but there are very interesting tools, even if they are “half hidden” in the forums.
In theory, Danoise is about to publish an important update of a very interesting tool…
I myself am finishing another tool that I think will appeal to many people. They are small appetizers.I will always defend that I prefer not to use tools, and that everything is under the hood of Renoise, but that is impossible.But using Renoise involves not only composing music, but also creating and using tools. Do not forget this…
Although Renoise is in “stop mode”, some new features appear in tool form and if they are not new features, are ways of control somewhat easier for the user.
Is there a plan for Renoise? I haven’t yet understood what “another project” meant in the past year, it could be related to Renoise, it could be unrelated to Renoise.
As I understand it, no, it is not related to Renoise.I think Taktik is in another project far from Renoise, but along the way, he will learn things that he can use in the future to improve and equip Renoise.I suspect that Taktik has had a problem with Renoise’s GUI, and along with “monetary problems” decided to pair it up and embark on another project, which is very likely to help him improve Renoise in the future.But that is speculation of mine.
Until Taktik leaves a message on the forums, I do not think he will return. As simple as that…
It’s funny because every so often the Renoise team posts a new tutorial video on their official Youtube page. They’re official videos… like, one for Track Scopes just showed up today.
While I realize that official tutorial videos don’t have anything to do with developing the program itself, it nonetheless counts as a “sign of life.” But I guess if the lead dev is occupied with a totally different project, these little vids are the only thing resembling a heartbeat for the company at the moment…
which is really too bad, but so it goes.
This discussion is all good to invigorate ongoing dev, but it reminds me of other smaller (yet comparatively larger) companies like FXPansion and how they went from doing Guru, to discontinuing it, making Geist Ver 1 and then discontinuing it and then now having Geist 2. That also will be discontinued in a few years to have Geist 3 and so on. With Guru they had some rights issue with Richard Devine who conceptualized it. Geist 2 is about as good as an MPC sampler done in software with no hardware support whatsoever, it’s also very ‘clicky’ with the mouse. But it’s feature set is eerily similar to MPC.
If Renoise gets discontinued for some reason, trust me on this one, someone somewhere will see its purpose and carry it on either with a new code base or purchase the code base from Taktik or build it from scratch using today’s frameworks like JUCE or Max MSP and C++. After all these years once the rights are transferred getting it done via a crack team will certainly not be an issue becos the technology exists and it’s well disseminated.
As of now just like FXPansion maybe it’s a rights thing or a marketing thing to infuse and attract new blood to a product line…whatever, Renoise has a really strong user base even if raw numbers don’t overtake the big guys. This kind of dedicated user base kept the scene alive so long and it will continue regardless.
Geist is selling second hand for less than a 100 quid and it’s a discontinued product. It’s feature set is nothing like Renoise and though it’s unique on its take it cannot even host plugins or call itself a daw with even 25% of what Renoise does. Do you really need updates with a software as powerful as Renoise. The most important thing, the workflow is bang on. By that argument, why do we use Kontakt or any of such powerful plugins right? Becos Renoise allows it, you can do plug and play, but now you can also say that why don’t Renoise also have KSP scripting engine or feature 50 GB sample libraries but that is not the focus of Renoise, let NI do that, you cannot do Beatmaking or tracking or audio production on Kontakt alone, so that is one purpose which Kontakt fulfills, it’s a small but industry standard niche. Same thing for audio wave files and time stretch algos, these keep coming every few months or so, really, just let those vsts do their thing and just plug and play. You will thank Renoise later because of its rock solid stability due to choicoest features only and letting everything else plug in and stay that way.
Finally one more thing, I urge all electronic musicians to also become great instrumentalists and music theorists and learn to play Jazz etc it will take your mind away from this feature lust and help you both learn and make music rather than just twiddle with sound parameters all day. I used to be a manual geek for a number of years now, these days I read them really fast (my latest purchase DR 880 in 15 minutes flat, creating patterns step time and real time, guitar FX and routing, 160 page manual), my background in computing certainly helps as well as my familiarity with various audio softwares, but end of the day even with that kind of convenience I still see a very similar feature set pattern and over the years so will you. Music has nothing to do with hardware or software, if you can hear it in your mind you will find a way to realise it even if you have only 30 year old gear or age old outdated software.
Once you start making music or learning music deeply gear becomes only one part of the entire puzzle.
I suspect that Taktik has had a problem with Renoise’s GUI, and along with “monetary problems” (…)
But that is speculation of mine.
Quite a bit of wild speculation indeed, and certainly not the first post of its kind by you.
Please allow me to make a friendly suggestion here: Try to avoid reading too much between the lines of every little thing that’s said, or picking apart random comments and coming up with your own theories about this, that, or the other. It’s simply not very productive or helpful.
For example: One guy makes a random comment in this thread about the “market for trackers” not being very strong, and then a few posts later you’re suddenly speculating that taktik and/or the Renoise project is suffering from financial problems. I don’t know if your speculation was based purely on his remarks or something else that’s been brewing in your mind, but it’s really quite silly either way to be perfectly honest.
Such idle chit chat is usually completely unfounded and serves no real purpose, tending only to confuse people even further or spark off bizarre rumours, until the forum eventually turns into some kind of echo chamber filled with utter nonsense. So let’s simply try to avoid that, ok?
In addition, it’s also a bit rude to make random presumptions about Taktik’s (or any team member’s) personal life, feelings, intentions, motivations, and so on. Unless we’re personally sharing such thoughts with you directly in the form of an open discussion, it really shouldn’t be any of your concern, so again let’s simply try to avoid such unfounded tangents.
Instead, focus on the things you do know for sure, which we’ve already told you directly: The team (of which Taktik is the lead developer) is working on another project for a while, so Renoise’s core feature development is on hold until further notice.
In short, the team simply had a desire to work on something else for a while, to explore some interesting new challenges, and to clear the dust and cobwebs from some lesser used parts of the brain. When a project has been ongoing for 15 years as Renoise has, it’s only natural that an occasional change of scenery or pace may be necessary to keep things fresh and interesting.
Nevertheless, Taktik is not locked away in some distant fortress of solitude, nor are the walls crumbling down around us at Renoise HQ. Taktik, Danoise, and another colleague of ours, are all working together on the other project and meeting up at Renoise HQ throughout the week, so it’s pretty much business as usual.
I am not directly involved with the new project myself, since I have my own things going on, but I do still drop into the office at least once per week to hang out, share ideas, or to simply talk some shit and have a laugh with my pals.
In closing, things here are fine, so let’s all just try to relax and calm down a bit, ok?
Cheers.
Bonus PS: The 3.1.1 bugfix was silently released on Backstage earlier this month, we just didn’t get around to posting an official announcement yet. If one of the pending fixes was pissing you off, it should hopefully be fixed now.
also wenn ich ganz ehrlich bin hab ich angst dass taktik vllt depri sein könnte
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honestly i think taktik could be depressed by the whole lot of work that stays the same
i hope the new project is a super brain cells refreshment 
with new customers and things like that just like doing a new song when you have heard one of your songs until your ears hurt 
actually i wanted to say that i dislike music theory and that i like midi data more. and that’s my honest opinion about music theory. i know without the words how western culture sounds, how jazz sounds. i’m afraid i could not remember the words they use. they tried it, my music teacher tried to teach me. it has become one of some traumas. i have no idea what the intervals are called and why the names are so strange and leading to nowhere. maybe this is for … for … not for me 
if i’d follow certain rules, i would do this without naming any of them. so, my main point about me is most probably that i’m no teamworker in music. as soon as i’d become one and overcome my trauma, i’ll learn all interval names, chord names, whatnot. but… honestly… atm i have no good feeling about music theory at all. i would fight my teacher with midi! btw he gave me bad marks
and i love things like thinking about software as a gift from “gods”, so… i am indeed in my heart still waiting for impulse tracker 3
hope you all do good, feel well! renoise hq. greetings from south west germany x)
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Please allow me to make a friendly suggestion here:
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Hi dblue. In the first place, I make it clear in my comment that it is speculation of mine, not of others.So I can not confuse anyone.Many people have comments and does not clarify this. I’m just commenting on this issues.Of course, I may be wrong. But that’s not the point. Several months ago Taktik mentioned in a post that he developed part of the code to make a GUI for high resolutions and that he left it parked.Your reasons would have.And on the monetary issue, it is clear that I am referring to Renoise (and Redux) itself, not to anyone’s personal life, if you have understood that.And that can be a reasonable goal to be working on another project, as well could have been Redux.I do not see here commenting anything to receive some of your comments.
But it is well that with your comments clarify a little these issues and is interesting in some paragraphs. So we also know a little what yourselvesthink.Although I hope that all your comment is not directed solely to me and you have tried to answer in a more general way, result of reading more comments from people in others forums and you finished here…
Theme aside. I appreciate you reporting in the forums about Renoise’s news, such as bugfix 3.1.1. Wow! that is a pleasant surprise. Although it would have been nicer in a calmer comment.Some more official form maybe? Does Renoise not have a service that notifies you if there is a new update? I haveinstalled “~ Check for Updates…”, but does not notify. I’m already downloading it from the Backstage.
Thanks!!!
I haveinstalled “~ Check for Updates…”, but does not notify.
Yes, indeed, let’s make that happen
I guess dblue broke the news, but we will have some additional stuff (content libraries) coming up soon as well.
So while you download and play around with the bugfix release, stay tuned for a more “official” announcement in a couple of days…