that would be a good thing. how about a little highlighting in the manual which points to the chapters with the new features.
Maybe I’m missing something. My pattern numbers are all over the place too 
Nothing wrong with the Pattern Sequencer numbers being all over the place, but personally it confuses me, now the steps I take in order for the Pattern Sequencer to be in numbered order is to…
Edit: There’s a tutorial on this but it totally flew over my head.
- Pick a tempo and LPB to work with a particular measure such as 9/4 or something
- Insert a good working amount of Patterns
- Make Selection Unique
The general intent is to make room, to make space in order to populate it with your favorite techniques.
In the following example, instead of using say Pattern 15 twice for a loop, I just use a fresh Pattern (16), so if later on I decide to do something “unique” in the second loop of Pattern 15 such as a simple tweak, I don’t end up having to do it on say Pattern 64 like I used to. Plus with The Matrix, its much easier to get an overview of what sucks, and move ,with ease, with what doesn’t. Again, nothing wrong with Pattern numbers being all over the place.
That’s a nifty button, didn’t know about it 
But I still vote for being able to play patterns of different length simultaneously, would really make things easier when working with triplets… How it’s displayed graphically is of minor importance to me.
Edit: The matrix view is a huuuuge improvement though, yey for that
From the screenshots I’ve looked at, it doesn’t use numbers (or words) to represent the patterns in the matrix, would it not be clearer to do it the same way as the Buzz Sequence Editor?
I don’t want to discourage you developers, you did great work by building Renoise,
but to be honest I’m a bit dissapointed about the new arranger / maxtrix view.
So far it obviously that it doesn’t add more value than copy&paste and muting (?)
Don’t understand me wrong: this is of course valueable, but I really wished
for better support for global automations and such stuff, or things like easy global looping of
single track content (without need of copying into specific patterns = virtual track content - a bit like in Cubase).
I’ve read about martinals idea of different clips with different content like automations, commands and so on.
Haven’t read the huge rest of the thread, but would have liked to see more of these ideas implemented.
Moreover, I think it’s a kind of design “imbalance” to have a global view which shows one the one hand tiny pattern notes,
but ony the other hand doesn’t display automation envelopes.
Please add a global editor/viewer for automations !
Yes, but no one ever claimed that its replacing an “arranger”. Does that make the pattern matrix useless?
oh I really haven’t claimed it’s useless - but I’ve expected a different flavor and wanted to give some honest feedback.
Since the new matrix view is so heavily advertized on Renoise’s Top level page my expectations were just high.
And indeed I thought that the matrix view and arranger were the same thing. Good to know there’ll be coming more :-).
in fact, if i understand well, i think logic do it… create an object (draw), than apply automation to object, than you can cut, paste, repeat etc this object… and after that, you can ungroup the object and delete it so you have all your automations visible again after this…
but i hate pianorolls 
go for it!!! it’s gonna be a really powerfull stuff
i hope this is write place to say my idea) Maybe someone told it yet i dont not. it’s too many text here)
So, i worked with Renoise like 2-3 years. this is awesome program blahblah. but what i want to say it has like few minuses which i see.
The main thing is sample playback in sequencer.
Like the problem is: I have 2 patterns and sample starts in 1st. and i press start in 2nd pattern (sample should b played but it doesn’t. i don’t here anything).
I know, this is kinda one of idea of trackers maybe. but, just imagine, if u work with samples which are like 20-30 patterns long. so, to listen the sample in 15th pattern u HAVE TO go back EACH TIME to pattern where sample starts and then wait 'til it reach 15th pattern. that sucks. cuz if u always work with such samples it peaces u off.
and the solutions i see could be different)
like (from simple change to a bit more harder)
- u can make a mode in which u can listen such samples (as for me and i think many musicians - i use each pattern only one time. so, i mean if u r gonna do this u should think 'bout different situations blahblah)
- the thing that could b just awesome is graphical preview of samples in sequencer. Maybe it sounds stupid. Like it’s a tracker man. But this is the best tracker. And many people really need this. 4 example this was the main reason why i switch Renoise to another DAW. only cuz of graphical preview of a sample.
U see, when u work in tracker u feel like u r blind. like in horizontal sequencers u can see loud part of sample and quiet parts, lows n highs. just cuz u see a sample man. i think u know. but here u r just listening, waiting, and catch moments by ear. u losing so much time on it. really.
anyway it could b just help mode - the best thing. Like as i heard from many people who uses Renoise.
Imitation of horizontal sequencer or change in existing. the main idea again in ability to see samples (and change em) in sequencer. like now it’s 2 different window (F1 n F4 ololo) like sample edit n the sequencer. but if it 'd b something like vertical interface of Ableton (Logic,Cubase…). that 'd b amazing.
N like it’s how i n some people i know see the next step in trackers.
What do u think about it?)
Mr Horse: Please read the thread in Audio Tracks.
Yeah yeah, they are damn right!
So even with version 2.6, we still don’t have anything as useful or important as this:
The minute Renoise gets a sequence editor like Buzz has, I will leave Buzz and start using Renoise.
LOL!
Yeah, silly Renoise.
^^
Did you ever tried Aodix?
http://www.aodix.com/pageaodixv4.html
I’m just curious what Buzz users think of this type of sequencer…
they get reminded of a huge loss to the scene.
sorry, i had to.
such a great idea/seq.
Yes, I tried Aodix. How is that remotely relevant to this thread?
The Buzz Sequence Editor is the only way the Renoise pattern arranger should be done. BSE works, brilliantly, quickly, intuitively. I presume the Renoise pattern arranger does not allow you to create songs in the same way as the BSE. Why would anybody try to arrange a song in a different way than the Buzz way?
Read some of my earlier posts in this thread to see why it’s the best way to write a song. I gave up using Renoise years ago, only because of the lack of a sequence editor like Buzz’s, and went back to using Buzz.
well people lets just have some patience,and see what the team will come up with,im sure they got something cooking(not for 2,6)but still
and stop arguing,that wont get you guys a arranger faster
btw those renoise mockups(not the shitty buzz ones)are pure art 
s-n-s - never heard of the expression “The triumph of form over function”?
What the Renoise mockups look like doesn’t help you when you’re trying to write a song. I can’t believe that people are still putting up with this ridiculous method of song editing. I don’t use Buzz because it looks good, I use it because it’s the easiest way for me to write my music. Go back through this thread a few pages where I explain exactly why the Buzz Sequence Editor is so important and incredibly useful, and where I explain why I can’t understand how non-Buzz tracker users can write music without going mad at having to copy and paste whole columns of data from one pattern to the next, it’s just madness. Oskari got it right first time, as far as I know there is no better way of doing it than the Buzz Sequence Editor, and it should be REALLY easy to implement in Renoise, much easier than lots of the other stuff that has been done so far.
Edit: I see that you can actually copy from one pattern to another, but you have to use the mouse (please correct me if I’m wrong), and therefore it is a right pain in the ass. Why can’t you just enter ‘1’, ‘2’, ‘3’ etc.? Why make it more difficult than it has to be?
I’d love to watch a Youtube video of a Renoise composer writing a song, and see how they copy a drum track from pattern 40 to patterns 1-8, listen to it, and then change their minds and decide they want to put the drum track from pattern 48 into patterns 1-8. In Buzz this takes about a second to do. In every tracker, it is a nightmare. In Buzz, you can SEE clearly which drum pattern is where, in every other tracker, you can’t.