The one who made the Depeche Mode Track is also around here… In case you are interested
. It switches to English later…
Here’s another crazy generator.
AI will eventually whirlwind through all industries which is a bit mind-blowing to think about.
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We need to make an AI to control renoise for composing tracks… It’s simple, you just need to record a lot of renoise sessions, you record all keyboard commands and ui and sound as a video. Then you train an AI with this that is able to control renoise like the trainers did when training the training data.
We now need to record a lot of renoise sessions to train the AI. We better hurry, AI can already make what a renoise would make directly, so we need to noise up the renoise obscenely with some noisy boys from the scene, and then people can watch the AI trying to use renoise making a lot of bullshit patterns and obscure native instrument effects routings.
Aaaaand of course there will be a commercial point to this vision, not to say that the boys recording the noise would be sold out, because the renoise AI can just autocomplete your beat, so when you’re lazy you could just load a pattern and a bassdrum and set a one two three four and a hihat, and the noiseboys would make a complete bullshit scene intro song from this, and then you repeat, and then they make another one which is quite a bit like the first but you know, like, unique, and each would immediately let you win you any scene compo if you don’t forget to let it make some ascii art in the patterns and generate intellegible speech just from 303 filter modulations. No bullshit, people will pay for this and compos will be a whole new game. Over are the days of sweat and knuckles, nowadays the renoise demoise are trained in line and in shackles, and their masters will like just cast another tune into the world until nobody wants to listen to that crap any longer.
So on another hand, maybe better let’s protect the human creativity and turn back to straight up procedural algorithms coded in handmade assembly, so we at least still have some control over our machines and creativity. Those keys were made to bang them up alright in line, you know, each time a bassdrum, each time the producer hit a key or did a copy and paste, and then he molded his whole soul and mind state into the whole soundscape. This is why when people listen, there is life in the music, there is the stories of the producers and those listening to it in the music, some real life shit that is alive. One day, in the age of machine music, people would only listen to empty music, and all the life around it, is also empty, hollow, the voices in it all only talk empty lies. I can feel this vibe already today when I turn on the radio and listen to the muzak, there’s no more life in much of that crap, and it’s not even yet AI generated. Must’ve something to do with the wave of AI entrained/controlled music producers, while there wasn’t enough human resources and capabilities where a deal was made to serve all this hollow bullshit.
Now off with this bullshit, wish I could find back some peace of mind and could take my laptop and some power source and a GUITAR or some bullshit and books to read with a backpack and a tent to some green place in nature or maybe where some hippies are, then repelling mosquitos with herbal incenses and tracking beats all around the night time… But then when you play back such tracks on mainstream radio, people couldn’t comply, it’d just shatter their plastic faces and make then buy less artificial augmentations of reality. Who need hippies with chopped up mosquitos stuck in the cooling fan of their laptops nowadays, when we already have the clean shit from the box just with a push of a button? I tell you, in this clean shit, it’s not even alive, it’s just outright all emotions scattered together, it doesn’t uplift you but make you hollow - and within it is all filth and crap, once people realize that they will turn back to making art themselves and shoot anyone who still uses that crap and forces people to get their wits fucked by even just watching and listenting to the results.
AI makes generic music very easily, and so stock musicians might be in danger. For now I don’t think AI can really nail human expressiveness in the same way a real artist or band could. It’s always lacking something and while technically impressive, really doesn’t move me.
I don’t care if AI can write a song or paint a picture but I do care if AI decides who lives, dies, or gets to enjoy the benefits of society. Already AI is being used to make rash decisions about human lives but everywhere you go online it’s people desperately worrying about the artists. The AI conversation so far goes like this: “Oh won’t someone please think of the albums we could release and no one will listen to?!” or “Great now no one will buy my furry erotica!!!”
Maybe off topic but I think we need legal protections for more than intellectual property as it’s one component to what is going to be seen as the next industrial revolution. A lot is going to change in the next 10 years.
Back on topic these tools are excellent for sampling. Really surprised hiphop producers aren’t latching on more. Now you have unlimited exclusive vintage soul samples. Everyone is Moby now! You’re a Moby! I’m a Moby!
Personally I have about 5 albums from the past that did alright and I can’t put them anywhere because I can’t afford to clear the samples. Most are undetectable and short but I don’t risk it. If I were making them today, I’d have AI reinterpolate the samples and release the mambajambas. Suck it Harry Fox.
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So much wise words. I’m glad to see there is so much reason and common sense here in Renoise community.
I do agree with pretty much everything I’ve read on this thread. There’s however one thing I’ve personally found AI very useful for. I’ve done digital painting since 2010. About a year ago I had a serious moment of frustration with my progress. I tried AI art creator just because I was basically angry at myself. I kept producing images with it for about 6 months until I had enough. I noticed what was going on. So easy, so fast… I felt constantly rewarded without an effort. Not healthy. However I realised what was the true value of the whole thing for me. I studied the “paintings” AI created for me I kept learning more and more what was wrong with my approach in painting. I understood certain things about the painting process in a way I didn’t before. If the work of AI can open some locks in us to move on to next level in whatever it is that we do, then it’s good and useful, but only in that case I’d say.
If AI supplents the popular pop-artist’s, slaves of record companies, who are already making music very robotically without true passion, I don’t think anything signifigant happens. Nothing essentially changes there.
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I recommend for everyone to read what Nick Cave wrote on this subject.
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renoise does in fact have the inputs, that’s where the OSC, LUA and open format XML come in for the translation. That Trimurti is where the “Guru levitating, producing without wires” connects.
AI can make songs and already make songs. AI can generate texts, AI can generate melodies, AI can put the text on the melody with the voice you want, AI can generate the jacket and the video clip for your song, AI can generate the 3D fake singer, and AI can generate the text to promote your song. I don’t say the result will be good, I just answer the question of this thread, and the answer is defo yes. It’s already used everywhere, more or less, with more or less interesting (or boring) results.
For the LOL, I asked ChatGPT how AI can help musicians to make a song, be prepared, that’s long 
AI can be a powerful tool for musicians, providing a variety of ways to help in the process of creating songs. Here’s how AI can assist musicians in different stages of songwriting:
1. Idea Generation
- Melody Creation: AI-powered tools can help generate unique melodies based on patterns and styles. For example, AI can create chord progressions or generate melodies that fit a specific mood or genre.
- Lyric Writing: AI tools like OpenAI’s language models can assist in writing lyrics by generating ideas, offering rhyme schemes, or even drafting complete song lyrics based on a theme or topic.
- Harmony and Chord Progressions: AI can suggest harmony and chord progressions that complement a given melody or mood, helping musicians find fresh ideas and unique structures.
2. Composition and Arrangement
- AI-Assisted Composition: AI programs like Jukedeck, Amper Music, and AIVA (Artificial Intelligence Virtual Artist) can create entire instrumental tracks or compositions, providing a foundation for musicians to build on. These tools can adjust to different genres and create everything from orchestral arrangements to electronic beats.
- Arrangement Suggestions: AI can also assist in arranging a song by suggesting how to structure verses, choruses, bridges, etc., or recommend when to introduce changes in dynamics or instrumentation.
3. Sound Design
- Virtual Instruments & Sound Generation: AI can help create new, innovative sounds or tweak existing ones. For instance, AI tools like Google’s NSynth can create new sounds by blending multiple instruments together, or help manipulate synthesizers to craft unique timbres.
- Style Transfer in Music: AI can take a musical piece and transform it into another style (e.g., changing a pop song into a jazz or classical arrangement), offering new creative possibilities.
4. Music Production
- Mixing and Mastering: AI tools such as LANDR or iZotope’s Ozone can automatically mix and master tracks, adjusting levels, EQ, and compression based on genre-specific standards. This allows musicians to focus more on the creative aspects of production while the AI handles the technical side.
- Sound Refinement: AI can analyze a song and make suggestions to improve its balance, clarity, and overall sound quality, offering real-time feedback.
5. Collaborative Creation
- AI as a Co-Creator: Musicians can use AI as a collaborator, feeding the AI certain inputs (such as melody, lyrics, or rhythm) and receiving back ideas, variations, or even entire parts of a song. This collaboration can inspire new directions in the songwriting process.
- Personalized Assistance: Some AI platforms adapt to a musician’s individual style, learning their preferences and offering more relevant suggestions over time.
6. Improvisation and Jam Sessions
- AI in Real-Time Performance: AI can help musicians in live jam sessions or improvisations by suggesting chord changes, melodies, or even playing along with the artist in real time. AI models like Google’s Magenta or Endel can create live accompaniment that reacts to a musician’s playing.
- AI-Based Virtual Bandmates: Musicians can use AI to simulate playing with a full band, helping them to practice and explore different performance scenarios, as AI can act as a dynamic “bandmate” adapting to the player’s style.
7. Music Analytics and Feedback
- Songwriting Feedback: AI tools can analyze songs to assess aspects like structure, lyric quality, or emotional impact. For example, AI models can evaluate lyrics for rhyme schemes, flow, or originality, providing feedback that helps refine the songwriting process.
- Audience Engagement: AI can also predict how well a song might perform based on data from past hits. It can analyze trends in music consumption to suggest what genres or elements might resonate with listeners.
8. Cover Art and Marketing
- Album Artwork: AI platforms like DALL·E can generate unique album artwork based on themes or ideas provided by the musician, saving time and allowing for creative exploration.
- Music Distribution and Promotion: AI can also play a role in marketing, by analyzing listener data and suggesting the best platforms or strategies for releasing and promoting a song.
Conclusion
AI doesn’t replace the creativity and expression of musicians, but it serves as a powerful tool to enhance the songwriting process. Whether it’s generating ideas, assisting with production, or providing feedback, AI can save time, spark inspiration, and open new doors to creativity. For musicians, AI can be like a creative assistant, helping them refine their songs and produce high-quality music more efficiently.
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Aka “AI does the work for you”. If AI “helped” with composition, arrangement or production, it’s NOT your music. The only acceptable point is point 8, because cover art or distribution has nothing to do with music creation.
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does using samples make music not your music? is generative music your music? i agree that just writing a prompt to make a full song isn’t your music or art. but can’t ai be considered just a tool in some uses?
This will kill it all!
The art and the humans too.
Because humans are essentially a waste of time, 100% of them die at the end, efficiency steadily drops after 60 years of service. First 20 years need constant monitoring and recoding in live production environment.
So you might squeeze some 40 years of service from a human, in an optimistic scenario, plus you have to support them raising their own humans and they need vacations, they get sick, have moods, have different personalities etc etc.
Imho the dialogue, communication, discussions and time spent between musicians and art cover designers produced great album covers, that were essential for the success of the musicians brand, and were an art form within itself.
Saving time - well save time, why bother with music - it’s waste of time.
I don’t get this - musicians happy dilly dally using AI art to promote their events or albums, and thinking they are somehow safe. You’re next m…fers 
At least punks make their own diy art still, in my town.
Samples were only good bc originally they were played by some real monkies somewhere in real analogue studios with real analogue instruments live, often in one take. That’s why the 60s/70s samples are the core and base of all modern pop.
Yeah… well I guess it boils down to what makes you happy as a human because why not get the best out of it!?
AI and robotics in conjunction will take over so many jobs it’s hard to fathom right now.
Going forward we’ll have to learn to use the myriad of new AI and ML tools to further our creativity, just keep pushing and have fun 
It’s your music as long as it’s your own composition, arrangement and production. It’s not your music if AI suggests or even creates chords, melodies, rhythm, beats, buildup etc. and/or if AI does the production for you.
Sure. For example to recreate a sound on another synth. But in the end it has to be your composition, your arrangement and ideally also 100% your production. In fact music is an arrangement of sounds by definition. Your composition and arrangement, your music. Simple as that. Of course it’s still your music if you get some help in terms of mixing and mastering, but in the end you have to do most of the work if you want to call it YOUR production, that improves YOUR music by improving your sound quality. 
Yeah, why even get up in the morning? Everything dies anyway. Why continue dealing with life? Waste of time.
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Sometimes, singer A sings a song with a text from B, a music from C, an arrangement from D, a mix from E, based on the idea of F, in collab with G, samples from H, promotion from I, on the label J, a clip from K, the jacket from L, and social medias updated by M. All people from A to M (and I’m sure I forgot many other people in my summary) will use AI in different maners and with different tools, to help them, or to speed up their process. Even the singer can be a 3D model hologram on stage, with an artificial voice.
Question: who made the song?
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Answer: B and C as long as they didn’t let AI do all the work…
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To me it seems this example represents modern comercial pop “music” production quite well. In this case I’d say no one made the song because the mainstream pop is hardly music at all, it’s product with some copy-pasted* “noise” included.
However AI-singers as long as you write the lyrics and compose the melody are quite ok. It’s pretty much the same as using virtual instruments. Still I prefer the real thing. Having said this I might use AI singer in future for jazz if I never find vocalist to collaborate with.
*I mean they all sound same S#+& as if they’re copied one from the other.
I’m scared - are most of the people really just sheeple? Do they just enlist and consume whatever is thrown at them? As long as it has some beat and melody?
Maybe they are. I remember back in 2000ds when the DJ craze was still full swing - some fans of some DJ Vladim or whatever - I asked them, why do you like him?
He plays good music, they say.
But where does the music come from?
He plays it!
But where does it come from?
From the records, duh! He plays records!
But who makes the records? Who puts music in the records? How does music go into records?
…does no compute…
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Any purely AI produced song or generated image/art I’ve seen lacks something, as they say as long as you make it yours and experience the flow process when creating art it’s alright. If not it’s just digital gibberish.
One think I really use it for is education, this article I “wrote” using various prompts during studying has helped me a lot, I like how it can adapt to your way or thinking or philosophy and explain concepts in your terms. Here it is refpoints.pdf (46.0 KB) if anyone wants to read it 
I’m pretty sure that AI will be able to make lively and good music over time. But to be honest I’m not that interested in it, I see art and music as a way of communication. Our languages are tools to express abstract emotions and dynamics within ourselves as human beings, and music is a way to say things that can’t be expressed by words. I’m more interested in listening to peoples imperfect works, decisions made by human individuals, even though they are not always in perfect harmony and composition.
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