True. AI will be able to make songs. But imho, it lacks one essential thing: a soul.
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Definitely. Most people today don’t believe in a soul, but regardless, there is an expression in languages that refer to art and music as “soul-less”, I think most people can relate to that.
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TL;DR This one is pretty cool, I also like the 64kpsish mp3 quality 
Ok there are verious other good examples. Would be nice if you could see what were the “inspiration sources”, but that’s a typical AI problem, or let’s say, a typical human problem.
All these examples are not bad. But they won’t make the last summer banger hit. There something flat in them, even if they tend to use the kind of keys, chords, pads, rythmes, that are globaly easily satisfying. One big issue will be the saturation. If AI can make infinity of songs like these, how many will you listen, how many will stay in your head for hours, how many will you want to show to your friends / children / whatever, saying, hey, listen this one, it’s something. Or hey listen what I was listening when I was young? What song will you feel nostalgic when you will here it again? How will you find back that old track you heard once 10 years ago among billions of other songs? So yes, AI can write songs & mellows, but is it a good thing, I don’t know.
I agree somewhat, at the same time these are already really high quality (not the actual audio quality). Composition, rhythm, harmonics, dynamics and groove, a lot is already very right, from an instrumental perspective. Hard to find such stuff on Spotify for example these days (made by humans). I think that means such low the current music quality became…
This is not a plea for AI, instead I really want to know the graph of sources with percentage / weightening.
If you would mix these tunes into a night party mix, nobody would even realize the difference.
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True that even nowadays, the musical production is saturated (and often soulless), with or without AI. For example, on Bandcamp, there are so many releases per 24h that it becomes impossible to listen all. Sadly, quantity doesn’t mean quality, and most of the productions doesn’t even deserve attention. But I defo think that AI, as an additionnal tool, can be a great time saver. Let’s say I will use AI as a tool to help, not as a tool that makes all for me.
AI wrote me a tool lol
com.renoise.-12dBNormalize.xrnx (2.0 KB)
com.renoise is only used for renoise developer tools - otherwise people use their own domains, right?
checking what your tool does
neat tool, i’ll add a method for altering all samples in the instrument, and detection if there’s slices and thus only modifying the parent sample, and normalize all samples in all instruments in song, and add it as shortcuts, midimappings and menu entries. and then add it to Paketti.
This one sounds exactly like every other average radio music crap: Flat, same-sounding, meaningless.
The asian symbol one sounds quite good, but somehow unfinished. Electro Progresso sounds like a WIP and is pretty empty, especially in the second half. So I have to agree with @sokoban and @Bluethereal , it feels “soulless” and sounds like unfinished “digital glibberish”. I haven’t seen or heard anything made by AI that looks or sounds finished and/or complete yet. It’s like an incomplete mixture of images and/or sounds.
Even though I probably won’t need 99,999% of the functions in Paketti, I really appreciate your efforts creating a tool that includes all the wishes from the forum users. Since months you’re collecting problems and wishes from users to solve them by integrating those desired functions into your tool. User X is whining about whatever, and 2 minutes later user @esaruoho posts “All right, problem solved, I’ve added it to Paketti”. So imho you also should get a Renoise shirt (or whatever) from the community, just like @slujr. 
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I just realized it takes way too long tho 
don’t use this on long samples, I think it calculates every frame or something and it’s not equivalent to automating the gui actions when pressing the normalize and adjust volume buttons, the volume adjustment function is instant, I tried other prompt to just reduce volume, not normalize first and it’s the same, it freezes even when undo off, but it’s alright on short samples, just a fun exercise and learning experience hehe coding wise AI is cool!
That is impressive, I like the second song. I probably would have danced if it was played at a club.
yeah this is the reason why i didn’t write it into the Paketti random sample loader as an option, because if it first loads a 6minute wavefile and then normalizes it… you’re gonna have a bad time.
… the first time you see the beachball and realize you’re in “script became unresponsive town” you’re like “oh geez”
hey, thanks! a renoise shirt would be fun! and no worries if you don’t use all of them, if you find any that are useful and want tweaks, let me know. i use maybe 100 shortcuts out of the 3800+ shortcuts that Paketti currently has. but others use more, since they request them.
and one idea leads to another idea until there’s really powerful stuff going on 
btw, i only have 498 “Ideas and Suggestions” threads to process through anymore ( i downloaded all of them from 2002-april 2024 so 7361 of them) - then i’ll start with the Beginners Questions, then Tools Discussions and Tool Announcements.
I’ve picked approx 1200 threads from Ideas and Suggestions and will be updating the Paketti Tool thread when I’ve implemented more of them. some of them are obviously duplicate requests, and some are already in Paketti, but this is gonna be a longform project anyway.
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AI is the new frontier.
technology is technology, do not be anti-technology, how it is made is not as important as how does it sound.
you can be anti-VST Too if you go that way, you know, push one button arpeggio that lay on multiple track and shift tones automatically.
i embrace new tech.
It’s not about being “anti-technology”, it’s about being “anti-not being creative oneself”. If you’re posting AI created stuff it’s not your music, period. You’re adorning yourself with borrowed plumes.
It’s important how it sounds, but it’s also important WHO made it. So if you’re labeling that stuff as your music, then YOU have to be the one who made it. Everything else is ridiculous and embarassing. Read the thread title again. It’s about YOUR music, not about AI creations. Anyway, keep posting… 
That’s a very bad comparison and doesn’t fit at all. If you see it like that you could even say for example that creating echoes by using a delay device isn’t part of your creation, because you type a number X and it delays every X positions automatically. It’s not like in the 90s on an early tracker when there weren’t plugins and stuff so you had to set the delays manually by using notes in combination with pattern commands. There’s a difference between telling a machine to occasionally do some simple stuff and creating a whole song. Self-explanatory.
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i do not see a difference, i think this is just the church of anti-tech talking, at least in spirit, people who spent years honing a skill and suddenly AI render that skill borderline useless by spreading it to absolutely everyone.
what really matter is what you do with that skills, what the final product sounds like, not how it was made, that thing is gone, how it was made means nothing in the era of super intelligence.
revolution is truly coming, and here we’re just talking soundtracks, but this extends to absolutely everything.
people playing live will still be a thing but i’m not for sure for how long, robotics is coming
you will never be able to tell, i might not even be real… just another AI mirage.
AI is a time traveller, it predicts multiple futures and let you decide which one you want.
A post was merged into an existing topic: I would like to hear your music made with Renoise or other Daws
If it’s your idea and you’re doing all the work to implement your idea in your DAW (composition, arrangement, setup, mix/master) it’s your creation. If you’re describing your idea to AI by typing some words, and AI tries to implement your “idea” according to your description and its stolen feeds, it’s AI’s creation and not yours. HUGE difference! In the end you did almost nothing except typing some words. A child who’s putting together pre-made loops is even more creative than someone who’s typing words to get some messed up AI creations…
You’re calling typing words and pushing some buttons a “skill”?
Wrong. You probably also think that an AI created picture is equal to Salvador Dali, Albrecht Dürer, Vincent van Gogh and so on. It matters WHO made it, HOW it was made and WHY it was made that way. That’s what’s interesting about art, whether it’s painting, music or whatever. Art is ALWAYS about human ideas, creations and stories. You don’t need art to survive, art is a luxury and ít’s always about HUMAN spirit, soul and feelings, no more and no less.
Well, yeah, you might be right on that point. Makind is so fucked up that there are already concerts of artificial “figures” for years now. I bet you’re a big fan, too.
Anyway, just do what you like to do. If fooling yourself about your “skills” is what you want, go for it. As long as you’re having fun, great. But if AI does all the work for you, it will never be your creation and it’s far from being art, because it’s not human made.