Duplex: Ableton Push support

[promovicz]

I am working on mappings for the Ableton Push.

Just letting people know so nobody wastes time typing XML.

These mappings have been created as an offshoot of a more complicated Push project of mine, so I will not go into configurations very deeply for now.

Does anyone around have a Push? Are any of you interested in figuring out decent configurations?

[danoise]

Push is an awesome controller, a friend of mine has just purchased one. Love the build quality of the thing…

@promovicz

Are any of you interested in figuring out decent configurations?

It would be interesting if the Push integration allows sending messages (text) to the LED display, is this something which is supported by your tool?

[promovicz]

@danoise

Push is an awesome controller, a friend of mine has just purchased one. Love the build quality of the thing…

It would be interesting if the Push integration allows sending messages (text) to the LED display, is this something which is supported by your tool?

Not exactly. The problem is that Duplex does not readily support this kind of display.

I do, however, know how to write to the display. I have working code (including text justification for 8 and 4 cells)
in my native Push extension. The code can be used by anyone wishing to do something related in Duplex.

If you are interested take a look at the thread Pusher: Renoise with the Push,
where I am more likely to be really active than in Duplex.

However, I have complete information about communicating with the Push and am willing to give advice and other infos.

[danoise]

@promovicz

However, I have complete information about communicating with the Push and am willing to give advice and other infos.

Great!! Any such info would be really interesting to study.

And yes, LED text in Duplex is sort of half-finished - it is possible to control dynamic labels via the OSC protocol, but not MIDI.
Hopefully, Push would allow us to come up with a common interface between those two protocols

I’ll follow your thread in order to check the implementation details.

[abique]

Any news on this?

[Moscom]

It’d be really cool that Push works with Renoise. If I can help, I would be happy to do so.

Cheers

M

[danoise]

@Moscom

If I can help, I would be happy to do so.

I haven’t looked into the specs for the controller, but doing a quick bit of research, I found this quote from the ableton website:

Push was designed as a musical instrument which harnesses the power of Live 9. The hardware can also be used as a generic controller, so that you can send basic MIDI information to other software, but you can only use the full features of Push as an instrument with Live 9. There are no plans to fully integrate Push with any other DAWs in the future

Doesn’t seem promising - they haven’t even published the MIDI specs
And, if that means that bi-directional communication is a no-go, then there really isn’t much that Duplex can do to support this controller.

[Moscom]

@danoise

And, if that means that bi-directional communication is a no-go, then there really isn’t much that Duplex can do to support this controller.

I do not know if that helps, but there is this bit of info around:

Ableton Live Push and Scripts

As far as I can tell, Ableton did not provide any official info, but there might be more non-official docs around.

Cheers
M

[Moscom]

And a little more about Push…

The LED screen can be edited via SysEx:

https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=193744

and here is a “better” documentation about Push’s MIDI messages:

https://app.box.com/s/w900ll2tq3tj83raes2a

I am no expert when it comes to Duplex but I hope these pieces of info will help.

Cheers

M

[danoise]

@Moscom

I am no expert when it comes to Duplex but I hope these pieces of info will help.

Thanks, I’ll be sure to check them out.

[Moscom]

Thanks danoise, really appreciate the time you are spending on this.

Cheers
M

[abique]

Hi,

Any news on this one?

Thanks!

[valankar]

I have a Push and am happy to help with testing. Let me know.

[danoise]

I have a Push and am happy to help with testing.Let me know.

That’s great. Maybe finally we can get Push support then.

I have time to dive deep into this in a couple of weeks, will send you a PM

[Phobot]

HI there, I also have a push and would be very interested in helping to test.

[danoise]

Hm, perhaps some of you are also based around the Berlin area, so we could do a meetup?

Promovicz is, and (I think) involved with the Raumfahrtagentur hackerspace…could be a possibility.

In any case, I will study the documentation already listed in this topic and try to come up with something.

[valankar]

In case it’s useful, PXT-General adds pretty good generic MIDI support to Ableton Push:

http://www.nativekontrol.com/PXT-General.html

It works pretty good in Renoise.

[phasebash]

Hm, perhaps some of you are also based around the Berlin area, so we could do a meetup?

Promovicz is, and (I think) involved with the Raumfahrtagentur hackerspace…could be a possibility.

In any case, I will study the documentation already listed in this topic and try to come up with something.

I also have a Push, and am willing to test, and am also a developer by trade who is familiar with Lua. Unfortunately, I do not live in Berlin, but can be available through Hangouts, Skype, or whatever is convenient for you.

This really need to happen. Please contact me and let me know how I can help.

[muckleby]

count me in on the list of testers. my experience of lua only extends to scripting keybinds but am happy to help out where i can!

[Luke_Norland (jasper)]

I would also be more than happy to test push with renoise. Thanks for all the efforts so far : )