+1
I Programmed some keyboard shortcuts
to change the patterns with SoundStudio On Amiga
by Pressing the Num Keys: 0123…
I only have one Pattern in the song/pattern List,
and that’s the one that I can change in realtime…
SoundStudio on PC lacks custom Keyboard commands…
Why not just settle with a basic idea? Keep it simple, as suggested.
It’s really a question of de-coupling the playback and sequencer position, if I understand lightbomb correctly.
Small differences aside, we already have something similar in Renoise: the scroll lock key, which de-couples cursor position from playback position!
Imagine this for the pattern sequence:
Hit space, the song starts playing. Nothing unusual going on. Playback continues for a few patterns. Then, the magic switch! Now, we are free to move anywhere we like in the song, while playback is still going on about it’s business.
If we want the song to catch up, we simply hit the ‘loop pattern’, which would force the next pattern to start at our present position!
And add flashing graphics!
Danoise - sounds reasonable! To be honest, I’d settle for absolutely ANYTHING that would let me use my favourite DAW with even the slightest improvisational freedom in public.
That’s not to say I’ve lost interest in the specifics, but I think because the various suggestions are so very similar to oneanother, the best thing would probably be to just have a feature that fulfilled most of the requirements, then we’d just learn to love whatever we were lucky enough to get 
Sadly though, all signs point to nothing of this sort being implemented in time for version 2.0. I guess I’ll have to use fucking Ableton or some dreadful shit like that while shedding tears for Renoise live on stage. Whenever I complain about Ableton, people say “well why not use Renoise for shows, since you keep going on about it all the time?” Well…
+1 on this feature!
I would use this all the time
I bought Renoise for live jamming and this would be amazing for me
Danoise, thinking about this more:
I think this could work nicely. So we hit our magic button, whereupon the currently playing pattern just loops forever until we find our desired next pattern. Once found, as you say, we hit our magic button again and when the current iteration of our old, looping pattern is complete, the desired next pattern begins and ‘song’ play mode (rather than single-pattern loop mode) is resumed.
The way you describe it (if I understand you correctly) would be even more flexible than my original suggestion (a la AHX and Milkytracker) because users wouldn’t have to frantically find a new pattern before the old one expired 
So for high-pattern-speed projects with shortish patternlengths, your safety net would be the infinite repetition of the ‘last’ pattern.
Another thing that occurred to me is that this feature would also be great for composition in the studio - to try out different patterns next to eachother in a non-permanent way without having to rearrange the sequence and risk mucking things up. This feature would be a swiss-army sequencing knife
Taktik - what do you think? I think the main contributors to this thread are in broad agreement now, and the visual solutions outlined seem to make sense. Is this close to being a specific enough request that it could be considered for inclusion?
I must admit, I didn’t fully understand at first, but I still knew you were on to something good in suggesting this. After trying out Renoise again however, I can see this would be an amazing feature to have, not just for live remixing, but also to experiment with different continuations of the song when composing.
Ah just read this! You spoke my thoughts in a time machine.
Yeah! And now that I just got my new Asus Eee 901 (after having had a 701 for a year), Renoise holds new wonder for me once again as a possible live tool thanks to Taktik’s fantastic netbook screen layout feature.
I see that, and this livemode request, as complementary features that would help ease Renoise into the consciousness of thousands of new netbook owners as their live tool of the future. All the mags are recommending netbooks, and we all know what a great app Renoise is for low CPU-load musicmaking 
That name again is mister bump.
+1 bump from me.
I’ve been using the same thing on my DS-10. It has a ‘lock’ button that locks the playback to the current pattern until it finishes. The current selected pattern is indicated by a small solid red light, and the playing pattern (if different) is a blinking red light. This is the opposite indication compared to what someone suggested earlier, but I think it works better this way, because the blinking suggests activity, and it can be in time with the tempo by blinking whenever the pattern plays a highlighted line.
+1
All I want to do these days is come home, put a recorder vst in the master track and start a set.
I can see this feature being a huge addition.
+1 again from me
The example from Danoise on the first page is perfect. Thats what we need baby.
Renoise Live Mode
Nice
I think I’m on the same page here. I’ve been twiddling around with the dblue Glitch and something called InstaJungle, but they seem to be “do it for you” VSTs and that’s not really what I’m after.
I also find the Beat Repeater patches in Ableton to be lacking in, lets say, depth.
Also, Novation Automap with this “live Pattern change” feature would be amazing. 
Live or apec (asynchronous play edit cursor ), we have to think about the dependencies of the play/edit cursor, like f.i. the sliders of the DSP modules. What are they indicating when playing a different pattern than the currently viewing/editing one?
…Or is this discussion about having a queue-able pattern only?
Knetter - I think whether we discuss the GUI-cohesion issues or the pattern queueing depends on what we can reasonably expect to actually be developed and when.
I think there are two ideological camps when it comes to feature requests for Renoise - and I should say I’m firmly in both of them. One advocates adjustments that would have great immediate benefit - typically minor tweaks or controllable options; perhaps adaptations of extant behaviour. The other engages in lengthy (and very productive!) discourse on more fundamental improvements to Renoise on the wider, more conceptual level, as a DAW.
I’m not suggesting that users are split between these categories - I think most people operate in both - but I think people don different ‘hats’ when discussing certain issues. The former way of thinking is what I wanted to invoke in this thread: this is a feature request made and supported by jobbing musicians who can see, just out of reach, a hugely liberating live tool that they could pick up and use at a live show in, say, five minutes’ time if it were to magically appear right now
The latter, as I said, involves an essential but more protracted and less urgent process of analysis, feedback polling, idea-sharing, etc. Basically, I’d love this feature to pop into existence in one of the simplified forms outlined so far, thus fulfilling the requirements of the former, but then developed in the long term according to the principles of the latter. I don’t think the two processes are mutually exclusive, and I think the live pattern-switching techniques proposed could be built upon incrementally rather than having to be scrapped in order that the system can become more complex in the future.
So Knetter: I think you’re absolutely right to bring up those concerns, and I think they should form the basis of a discussion I really look forward to…once we’ve got the most basic ‘live’ pattern-switching functionality in place. Then Renoise can go from being the best studio-based tool to the best studio+live tool by a small margin…all the way to being the best studio+live tool by a HUGE margin! If I never have to run Ableton again in my life, I’ll be happy.
Way to go. Ask the right questions, and everybody gets smarter. Now, I’ve always imagined that the DSP section is locked to the current pattern - which would mean, the one currently being edited. Otherwise, right-clicking a DSP slider in order to record some automation data would be totally confusing, as the data could end up in another part of the song… 
Renoise definitely benefit from these discussions, yes. And at the same time, I think development is also considering whether a given feature is minor (like this one), and not a more fundamental change/improvement. The latter kind tends to turn up in feature votes, btw.
Yes, having a good discussion is always helping determining better requirements.
As I see it, we have a kind of a 3-step rocket…
phase 1: Allow us to switch patterns live with help of a queue command (mouse click & hold, whatever).
phase 2: Peek in other patterns during playback.
phase 3: Edit in other patterns during playback.
I think there is a ascending grade of complexity in these phases. For any discussion of phase 2 and 3, see this topic.
Hey there. From the point of view of a newcomer, making the transition from hardware sampler/sequencer (electribe) to software, I admit that I’ve been very confused by the default behaviour of pattern selection/playback/edit/whatever thingy.
The live mode described here would be a great improvement.
+1
easy to implement, huge impact