Mdma

NER · February 12, 2009, 1:39am

Mushen:

not an attack at you ner, but shining on this “natural” debate.

mushrooms: “According to Leo Hollister, Jonathon Ott, and John W. Allen, one would have to consume their body weight in fresh mushrooms or eat approximately 19 grams of the pure chemical substance to bring on death” (http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_faq.shtml#a)

marijuana: impossible to overdose, you’d pass out as a result of oxygen deprivation eventually. (empirical evidence as well as documented, try it)

MDMA on the other hand is, by comparison, more toxic. you’re also more likely to reach a lethal dose simply because they are cut with non-mdma substances, while laced marijuana and incorrect mushrooms are rare (especially if intentionally grown). impure man-made substances are much easier to encounter.

Those aren’t the same class of drugs. It would be more fair to compare mushrooms to LSD, in which case your analysis wouldn’t work. In an idealized world LSD (or mdma) can be far more pure than shrooms, in which only a small fraction contains actual psilocybin. Same with ganja.

Also keep in mind Opium and morphine are “natural” substances, and I don’t think people would consider them to be safe relative to any chemical substance.

ericneilj · February 12, 2009, 5:43am

i love opiates

Nick_Rogers · February 12, 2009, 2:37pm

Exactly,
All these stories relate to people who took them in excess. The feeling of bliss is a good one, but honestly, after a drug fueled night(and morning) i cant imagine anyone who wants to be rubbing that stuff on their gums when they wake up(unless your on a bender/festival). IT TASTES LIKE SHIT.
Give it a go, go on TAKE IT! taaaakeee ittttt…you’ll enjoy it, go onnnn…haaave sommmmme…bleaurgh

BotB · February 12, 2009, 2:42pm

consider this: if drugs didn’t make you feel great, why are people taking them
the worst that could happen is that you wake up in a strange girl’s bed.

Nick_Rogers · February 12, 2009, 3:04pm

I thought that was obvious, and as for the girl part, i disagree, i’ve never lost control…no matter how wasted.

ericneilj · February 12, 2009, 4:07pm

you had me at two

BotB · February 12, 2009, 4:13pm

but then again, we’re here to try and talk mushen into druguse, not you.
and as for the girl-part: we both know you should take more then

edit: it’s a good part you can keep control, ofcourse

Nick_Rogers · February 12, 2009, 5:08pm

maybe the girls are in the bed because one is more in control…
either way…pills make your willy shrivel…

BotB · February 12, 2009, 6:43pm

yet, mdma is one awesome aphrodisiac

Void_Pointer · February 12, 2009, 10:06pm

Try to reduce the amount of times you use MDMA though. As with most drugs, the more you use it the less fun it will get.
It’s best to have breaks of 3 to 6 months between each time you use. This will make sure your serotine level is high enough to give you a pleasant roll. If you stay true to these breaks the times you use will be as great as your first.

BotB · February 13, 2009, 8:57am

This is very true! I only use mdma only on ‘very special occasions’, ie. parties that I deem worthy
to go down in my history books as unforgettable. You can count the times I used chemicals on one hand.
And once I even regretted using it… and I regret that I have to keep it a secret from my girlfriend, as she
is very anti. That makes it even worse… that makes ME even worse, eheh…

Nick_Rogers · February 13, 2009, 3:02pm

go on byte smasher, “drugs are m’kay”

Void_Pointer · February 13, 2009, 7:22pm

I was in a similar situation before. Fortunately my girlfriend suggested to let me use it one time in her presence, so she could examine what it does to me. It was a positive experience. She just accepts it now, and no longer worries all night when I go out on ‘special occasions’ She actually opened up quite a bit. She wants to try it one time.

I think most people are so negative towards drugs like MDMA because it’s unknown. Everything they hear from it is bad. They never get told the positive stories… people think it’s perfectly normal to get alcohol poisoning, but when you take half a pill all hell breaks loose. This world is just bizarre!

meow · February 13, 2009, 8:13pm

Man, I guess I never got mashed up bad enough. That or there aren’t enough asians in town.

Void_Pointer · February 15, 2009, 5:03pm

My last and most important advice is… DON’T GET PHOTOGRAPHED ON PARTIES!! I’m looking through some pictures of last friday and am embarrassed as fuck

BotB · February 16, 2009, 10:05am

Ho yes. Biblical advice there.

By the way Peter: if you can, join us for 3 and 4 april in Eindhoven at STRP Festival!
Aphex Twin, Squarepusher, Luke Vibert, Venetian Snares, Benga… all in one weekend…!
A good example of one of those parties that need to go down in history as unforgettable
(ie. drug-infused). Driewerf hoezee!

vvoois · February 16, 2009, 11:41am

I can think of a few far worse scenario’s:

You ending up in the bed with a strange she-male
Or ending up in bed with two two biker guys that have performed poo and pee-sex on you the whole night.
Trust me if there is one thing i would like not to be paid off for using any toxic specimen, it is in that kind of matter…
It doesn’t look great on your tombstone either if you did not survived the party.

BotB · February 16, 2009, 11:46am

Dude, you´re one sick basterd. What the hell are you putting in you?

vvoois · February 16, 2009, 12:20pm

I’m not sick, i just take care i give myself a hell of a good reason to stay away from drugs
For worst case scenario’s:be realistic or don’t consider worst case scenario’s first but just do it.
Making mild assumptions is not really fair to yourself.

BotB · February 16, 2009, 12:38pm

Cynsim, it is a beautiful thing. Don’t take anything so seriously, especially in a drugged topic.
I wouldn’t consider ending up in a strange girl’s bedroom bad. But hey, I’m a swine.