What kind of presets are you talking about? Like a song template with Renoise DSP chains that you have already put together?
I’m not sure about that, since it represents work you have already done prior to the 3 hours. You could have spent ages mixing something already and then just throw some instruments into it and therefore have to spend less time mixing on this compo. I think I’m going to have to say no to this one. Anybody disagree?
How can you mix something without sounds? Mixing silence doesn’t help you much!
I assume he meant more DSP Presets though. Which, to be honest, most people probably start from then tweak to make fit exactly the sound they have. So do you want everybody to always work and adjust from Init on DSPs, rather than trying out Presets?
That’s what I was thinking. It’s how I always do my SDcompo entries.
What I meant by mixing is that you could have already mixed with other similar samples and then change out the samples once you get the samplepack.
Is this an unfair requirement? We can change it if too many people think it is. My logic here is for everyone to be on “even playing ground” in this compo… Thus the time limit. Back in the day of 1 hour compos in IT and FT2, nobody did much “mixing” anyway and there were no presets to load 
It’s fully up to you. Personally I wouldn’t see the harm in letting people use the Renoise tools at their disposal to get a tune written. In some ways you could say it depends on whether you want a focus to be on musicality or tracking ability…
Let’s see what some other people’s opinion is before we decide.
Samplepack is ready to go, I’m just waiting for the easy-share link to become available before I post the link.
I was thinking more like using tuned devices which could be stored as an envelope preset and such.
I agree with kazakore though, but i think maybe there should be a rule against premade envelopes.
What if we say default Renoise presets should be allowed, but not custom ones?
That sounds perfect.
Samplepack link is up! Apologies that it’s on a crapy file sharing site, I couldn’t get it to upload to my webspace here at work. I’ll post a mirror from home later.
You is da man! I have updated the link in the original post. Thanks dude
And the samples seem like exactly made for me 
Very cool. I’ll definitely be using this.
damn. i’m literally waiting here, preparing myself for an as-awesome-as-possible 3 hour tracking run. thoughts going around like ‘should i start now or some more?’, ‘what about a round of Beatles Rockband to get me in the mood?’, ‘do the dishes first of leave them and just get started already?’. i had no idea i was signing up for this much pressure 
I think i need some drugs for this compo, beer didn’t work 
seeing how i’m finished now, i’d like to bring up a possible issue. from my recent experience it became apparent that there was a need for me to push the ‘pause’ button on cocoa’s timer now and again. i’d have to use the toilet or get something to drink for my dry mouth or someone called or walk the dogs etc. now, i just did this without much thinking, but later on i started wondering how people would feel about that sorta thing.
it was never explicitly stated, but is the 3 hour tracking period a commando-special-ops kinda thing where you just walk the dogs, prepare the drinks, but a bucket next to your seat and shut off the phone before you start tracking?
personally, i think both methods should be allowed. we’re in the honor system already so we gotta trust each other. the Bear Grylls method is pretty balls-out and i might try it if i make it far enough in this compo, but i prefer my own ‘pause’ method, because i am simply not as hardcore as my avatar seems to imply.
(of course i also support my method because otherwise i’d be disqualified and i really think my song is awesome)
If you’re 30 minutes into the tracking and a badass dog like rhowaldt’s avatar demands walkies or if suddenly your house burns down i think it should be ok to pause your work.
Well for now i think the stopwatch plugin should be enough, if everybody just installs that one can see from one another how much time they spent. I just press pause and save song, now that i have a basic pattern, and give myself some new ideas listening it over a few loops. props to keith (?) for the sample pack it’s AWESOME.
Hmm… gotta remember to set my house on fire so I can pause tracking without feeling bad about it. 
to make this ‘pause’ thing a bit clearer:
imo, you are allowed to take a pause in your 3hrs as long as during that pause you do not do anything with respect to your song. that includes listening to your current progress, picking out/editting samples, tweaking parameters, changing track-names/instrument-names, etc etc. i think all those things i have described are an integral and vital part of creating a song, and therefore should be counted as time spent.
i have honored this system myself.
let’s hear what you all think of this.
yes I thought the same so from my 10 minutes in I’ve started to count listening time as well and even counted some mens room time to make up for past cheating 
. And since you’re a Guruh Motha Fakka is Levitating and Knows Everything About Renoise Member we’ll have to respect what you think .