Sorry for another noob question but this is driving me mad.
Find a simplest way to create the arpeggio effect with options, such as being able to use more or less than 3 notes and adjusting the speed.
Let me explain what I’m currently working on. I’m making some chiptune in Renoise. I have some samples I made in Famitracker and exported, and then cropped in Renoise. They sound pretty sick. I want to apply some arpeggio effects.
The problem I’m having is first of all, 0Axx is way too limited. If I want, for example, an arpeggio of 0 3 7 12, I can’t do that. Or if I just want 0 7, I can’t do that either, because technically you can only do 0 0 7 or 0 7 0 or 7 0 7. Or maybe I want to go up an entire scale really fast. Or maybe I want just a normal 3 note arpeggio, but I want it to be a little bit slower, or a little bit faster.
What I have tried
I have tried many things as a result of googling and searching the forums here.
I have used the ZK command to change the ticks to change the speed. I find this method very limiting. There’s usually only 3 values worth using, and they’re like, way too slow, normal, and way too fast. And of course even if I was satisfied with those settings, this doesn’t solve my other problem, which is BASICALLY my desire for a easy to use pitch envelope.
I have tried manually configuring a pitch envelope in Renoise, and have found this task daunting. After a while I figured out you can just reduce the points and it makes it easier to work with. However, and I had to slow the track speed down to 32 beats to confirm exactly what was going on, the forward loop is ignoring the 0 point. It only plays point zero the first time, and then the loop only plays nonzero points in the envelope. The loop starting marker is all the way to the left. It can’t go anymore left. So this method is out too… unless someone can tell me what I might be doing wrong. However even then I find the speeds you can achieve with this method are just as limited as using ZK.
I did find the Epic Arpegiator. I find it to be way overly complicated for what I want to use it for. I really just want to set tones to be arpeggiated, and set a speed for them to play at. I watched the entire 25 minute tutorial, and it looks like an amazing tool, but after 30 minutes of trying to figure out how to accomplish a basic arpeggio effect I honestly just gave up. Sometimes when I type in a 3, it shows a 3. Sometimes when I type in a 3 it goes to a 12, and once something goes to a 12 no matter what I type in it stays stuck at 12 until I clear it. (This is in the Tone column) And like, right now, I have 0 3 and 7 set at points 0 2 and 4. How do I tell it where to start repeating? It seems to just “know” but if for example I wanted it to hold the 7 for 3 points instead of 2, like, how would I tell it to do that, just seems weird that you have all these blank points and count on it automatically “knowing.” I did get it to work, and generate an arpeggio, but then of course I wanted to alter the speed. Want a faster arpeggio, put the 0 3 7 on points 0 1 and 2, and and point 2 is stuck at 12. Why is point 2 stuck at 12? Also some of the arpeggios I generated ended up with the same problem I had where it would ignore point 0 in the loop after the first play.
Sooooo then I thought to myself, surely a VST exists that very simply does this. So I found Kirnu. And it looks perfect, exactly what I’m looking for, EXCEPT, I can’t figure out how to get it to work, at all. It doesn’t show in the Track DSPs under VST like I would expect it to, it is showing under instruments. Which is weird because if I understood right it’s not an instrument, it’s basically an effect, isn’t it? It doesn’t generate its own sound, so why wouldn’t it be under effects? I can have it selected even though I already have a sample but it doesn’t do anything. Reading the manual was really confusing:
"How to use:
- Right click on the knob.
- Select MIDI learn from popup menu.
- Move some control from your MIDI device or from DAW
- To unlearn the control select MIDI unlearn from the popup menu"
Well there’s 5 knobs, which one is “the” knob? Midi learn I see. But what does “move some control from your midi device or from DAW” mean? I don’t know what that means. I have absolutely no idea what I’m doing with this VST. But I’d like to mess with the Rate selection. It has options for triplets and has rates from whole notes to 1/128th notes. The envelope itself is extremely simple, and it has other things to mess with such as length which I assume is notelength, gate, accent, etc looks really cool. But I can’t figure out how to get it to do anything in Renoise.
Ideally I’d like to learn how to use Kirnu in Renoise, I really think if I can figure that out, that would be my best bet for what I’m trying to do. Any help very much appreciated.
edit: and I really can’t even begin to explain this.
This envelope when played completely ignores the first point at 0 cents. Does not play it at all. Start right from point 2. All three points are completely inside the loop, why would it do this? When the first zero cents point was all the way to the left it played it once, it just didn’t loop it. With this envelope it does not play it at all. Even when I change it to a positive cents value.
edit2: Now I have S at point 0, 0 cents at pt1, 300 cents at pt 2, 700 cents at pt 3, and E at pt 4, and it loops pt’s 1 and 3 and ignores 2. Whaaaa?
edit3: I have now successfully used energyXT to setup Kirnu to be used with a VST plugin. I have not yet figured out how to do this for samples. But I’m getting close. And I have Bleep which is a pretty cool plugin and will tide me over for now. For anyone after me trying to figure this out, use Workaround For Routing Midi-Vsti
As for doing this with samples, it looks like it SHOULD be possible I just can’t figure out how. energy lets you setup a samples folder, and you can look at your samples in there, but you can’t drag them in like you can VST’s. I might have to hunt down a simple VST that just loads and loops samples to do this.
edit4: I have not yet found a VST that does what edit3 came up with. I have found some sampler VSTs but they don’t loop the sample fast enough and they don’t have an option to set a base note so they’re absolutely useless for my purposes.
edit5: Oh apparently kontakt can load samples, I never knew. I have it for an orchestra kit I purchased. Works like a charm. Says it’s in demo mode though… I don’t know what its limitations are.
edit6: Found a VST called SFZ. Kontakt has 15 minute time limit. SFZ Does not. Works perfectly. Does not, however, have a volume envelope editor. I don’t think I’ll ever need one for arpeggio effects though and it looks like Kirnu has some options in that regard anyways.
OK so I fixed my own problem eventually even if it did take 6 hours of googling and noodling.
edit7: OH MY GOD energyxt dumps all your settings when you close renoise because it’s just a demo and you have to buy it to get the ability to save.