if you want cubase clone use cubase
and 6. Renoise still doesn’t make the tea does it?
6b, with a button for milk and 2 sugars
Man-at-arms… Great satire… and right on.
I still use Logic for my “regular” and “normal” stuff. It is without a doubt more powerful than Renoise. Logic is an excellent program, and I think worth the price… but…
Renoise is fun. Renoise takes me places Logic never could. It’s not that one is better, they are just different tools. A hammer is not better than a screwdriver, unless you want to hit a nail. You need them both in the toolbag, unless you only want to hit nails OR turn screws. Then you will pick the one that suits you.
If you keep adding features. If you keep bloating the software. You end up where all the mainstream DAW’s are today. Is that really where you want Renoise to be?
Of course you want further development. But remember with each feature comes the bloat and endless complexity.
I am very new to Renoise (2 weeks) and it is this difference that has me hooked. If Renoise was just another piano roll, freezing, visti host I would not have thrown down $70 (american) to have it. Believe me, there are better DAW’s out there. And even at cheaper prices (Reaper for example). But in 2007… Renoise is the one that is different. In a sea of clones, Renoise is the desert island.
i start tracking in 90’s on my AMIGA 5OO+ i go to PC in 1997-98,
i work on FasTracker2.
I test cubase, logic, flstudio…i work in studio and at home with it.
I install renoise at the studio and explain to all how it work and everybody use it alot for beat making and sampling for compose hiphop, r’n’b, house music.
and like me all prefer the tracking than live or fl studio.
renoise still the best way for creating music with samples… 
Okay then, here is my top 5. These are improvements and refinements that would make my Renoise-life easier:
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Remember sorting in Disk-op (I change this from the default, like everytime when I use Renoise)
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Be able to edit the patternorder without affecting the currently playing song (like it works in Impulse Tracker, this has been discussed before)
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Improvements in the sample-editor, f.ex. I miss a fade-tool with envelopes, f.ex. like Soundforge has. Being able to edit samples with pen could also be useful sometimes.
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Put some time on the workflow of the instrument edtor, get inspiration from f.ex. Akai-hardware-samplers and Kontakt. I personally feel it has a too small resolution that I avoid using it for this reason. Creating multisamples-instrument is also a slow process which could be improved. I think it could be improved a lot and be a very strong feature for Renoise in the future if improved.
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Add support for MIDI on VST-effects (for gate-vsts, vocoders vsts and so on)
Ok, i’m joining in. Here’s my debaucherous belligerent append to the thread. I apologize for being part of the jerk-squad in advance. Don’t stress about it? The first three are implementable, the other two are theoretical.
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Left clickable effects column that pops up a context menu with all the available effect commands.
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Track Scopes: Master & send should Have different colors than regular tracks. Could I do this myself with skinning? I never tried.
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Global communism. (joke)
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Ability to work with long samples visually. I.E. some sort of multi-track view where I can “see” my sounds and envelopes overlap. Perhaps this is the arranger?
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Beat-slicer, whatever that turns out to be. I am specifically interested in results for drumkits and breakbeats.
good man. +1 
Hi.
As a user and long time tracker. I see this as very positive and thank you
It’s nice to see that new blood is starting to see the value in our screwdriver ways.
A sign of things to come?
Welcome to fun city.
about me i am not tracker or ex tracker. 
but i have write music in reason, fruity, cubase but after this check buzz and i love it. But it is not stable and it try renoise.
I mean that i love write music in renoise and i will be happy if you will put link to tracker concept or other good thigs. thanks
Oh my god… and all this time I thought it was about music…!
I want time streching like FL studio…
i want renoise forever…
There are numerous ways to timestrech inside renoise btw … including 09xx commands, and dblue’s secret timestreching VST
long time, no see fellas. 
been kinda off lately. but have returned, and fiddeled around in 1.8 final. of what I have tried out and failed. the only thing I miss in renoise is one of the features BYTE-Smasher stated at the beginning of this topic.
also, I’de like to see allmost all the features BYTE-Smasher suggested.
but the most important one for me would be one that makes working with long samples (one shot vocals 
/guitar 
/drums aso.) easier and most important, doable. it’s a pain today, you have to chop it up to be able to do anything. 
mostly i export such work to a program with pianoroll/timeline. 
do not missunderstand. I do not want a pianoroll or timeline. except maybe for visualisation only 
(view two or more selected tracks in a timeline might be welcome)
okay. gotta track something one of these days, now that I made an appearance
talk about exessive use of smilies …
- Developers go on a massive holiday.
- 4 stage Parametric EQ native effect.
- More advanced VST/i routing, for example vocoder FX which can recieve midi notes / vocoder instruments which can recieve audio.
- Arranger, including audio tracks for vocals etc (tough one, needs even more discussion).
- Beat slicer (trigger points in sample editor + a new pattern command).
- Loop points controllable with pattern commands and/or automation.
Aaron Funk? the guy who looks like the heavyweight version of jesus? 
He wont fit in renoise 1.8, maybe 2.0. Guess the RAM consumption will be massive
- a code [xXxx] in pattern editor to control the postion of the “loop starting point” and the “loop ending point” in real time.
- possibility to switch sliders to mono in the mixer view (there’re only stereo) for use with multi-out soundcard.
- a native sidechain.
- improve MIDI stuff (like multi clock out, export, import on existing track, possibility to save and load different midi control mapping, … ).
- a finest and independant time subdivision in the automation window, for working more precisely.
- possibility to save song variations without saving all samples.
- Rewire capability
hello bremen!
lovely post, you made some good points, and you made us vertical men feel good 
so welcome to the renoise community! we will treat you well.
i’d just like to correct you on one thing… cubase is NOT better than renoise. neither is logic, sonar or pro-tools. they are just different. actually f**** that LOL renoise ownz cubase and logic! (hehe)
EDIT!! just read what you wrote a bit better, and clearly you never said logic was BETTER than renoise, so just forget this ramble :=)
anyhow…
goto the cubase forums, for instance, and check out the music made by these guys. the music found there is by no means better or more meaningful than the output of renoise musicians. actually, there are so many of them (songs at the cubase forums), that my ears started to bleed before i got to something somewhat decent. the majority of musicians in the world use piano roll styled programs to lay down their tracks. this does not mean they are better, only that they are more widely known.
music is not about how, where, why or when you compose or create it, it is about the music itself.
point is, not too many people understand tracking. tracking is a completely different mindset for creating sounds. people who see renoise for the first time thinks its fun, but also see a LOT of limitations. people who ARE trackers see the endless possibilites it offers. and i think this is one aspect that makes tracking exciting. we dont always think - “what can renoise offer to me” – we say instead - “this is what i can do with renoise” or “this is how i can make my musical ideas work”.
those of us who have used trackers since its birth in 1988 or so… we are used to working with extreme limitations. every new feature that is given to us is a gift, and we use it for all it is worth.
so what gifts would i love to see handed down to me in the future?
a. beatslicer
b. higher note resolution
c. better native DSPs (or VSTs) (allthough i LOVE the built in delay. never use anything else)
that is actually all i can think of at the moment. things like midi-export and extensive routing isnt part of my production habits, but i can see how other people would want this.
cheers!
klaus
ditto.
my primal fear about this is that Renoise will loose its flexibility in the future: lots of people use Renoise to make breakcore and stuff like that. Be clear that they have my full respect. They of course need the beatslicer, while others need the native chainer, other need the timestretcher.
All together, they probably count as much as 90% of current userbase, so it perfectly understandable if taktik will make them happy by implementing these high-requested features.
What if, someday, they will stop making breakcore-or-whatever, and decide to compose, say, jazz or folk? What would the use of a beatslicer be?
Plugin-based interfaces are fantastic because they allow you for choosing whichever tools you need to produce: if you need a timestretcher, there are tons available.
In this sense, adding loop markers would infact increase flexibility: this would really be an add-on, an extension to tracker features, not just “teh missing feectha foh dah breakk0”.
So my opinion is to try to focus on general features which will improve everyone’s tracking experience: new XRNI features, ability to draw samples, more tracking commands, higher note resolution, and so on.
note: this is not a criticism on xerxes post
When I think of “beatslicer” I imagine something like Recycle which detects the hits in a sample (usually a breakbeat of course) and automatically creates region points for every hit, then allows you to manipulate this somehow, like changing the tempo or groove or whatever.
I personally don’t need that at all. It-Alien is right… there are specialist tools available which will always do a better job, so I don’t think Renoise should try to be the amazing all-in-one tool for everything. It should remain focused on the compositional side of things.
However…
What I would love is for Renoise to support region points within a sample which we would create ourselves in the editor (or in external editors such as Soundforge), and of course some pattern commands to control the triggering of these region points. Independant loop settings per region (“slice”) would also be awesome too, but overall I could live without that if necessary.
But this region/slice triggering functionality would not only be useful for breakcore, or even breakbeats at all, it could apply to many, many different styles of music and musical situations. Like triggering vocal phrases, for example. Or triggering certain phrases from a musical performance. It would also be an invaluable feature for anyone working with long samples who’s experienced the normal headache of trying to keep things synced correctly.
It would be like SampleOffset++.
Of course, there’s also the argument to simply increase the resolution of the sample offset command itself. This would be wonderful as well, but I feel very strongly about this region triggering thing and I really think we need it in Renoise. It should not be overlooked or simply replaced by a high resolution sample offset. In an ideal situation we should have this region triggering and a high resolution sample offset command, but if we’re trying to prioritise which features get the attention, I think region triggering should get priority because I feel it will be immediately helpful to a wider range of people… the jazz people, folk people, even the breakcore people.
It would be incredibly powerful to load up a big sample, create a new region point and drag it into place with perfect precision, then simply trigger it with something like R001… This would be seriously n00b friendly, too.
Ok. Just wanted to help strengthen the opinion on this concept which would be absolutely wonderful to have.
dblue, what you called “SampleOffset++” is exactly what I (erroneously?) called “loop markers”, sorry for misunderstanding 