What Would You Like To See In A Renoise 3.0?

  • Audiotracks ( flip the vertical pattern matrix on its side (horizontal), and add audiotracks there )
  • Record from any audio device available, instead of just the device in use ( I use 3 soundcards ).

Yep. Enhanced Line-Input/ Sample Recorder / Pattern Recorder .

I want renoise 4.0 to introduce video tracking, where you can place video’s/frames/pics as note events in the patterns and automate visual effects in the automation editor. Great way to sync visuals to music, tracker style! :drummer:

That would be great, and for what its worth, the Sample Keyzones section does look like a pixel editor and to some degree behaves an increment of it.

I’ve been messing with Graphics Gale lately, experimenting in making my own low budget animation videos to go along with my music. If Renoise could facilitate a lo-fi animation section, jeez, talk about an all in one solution for audio/video productions.

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Audio tracks aren’t essential to me, since I really just use REAPER for anything like that, but I wouldn’t object to seeing them.

I’d like to see volume, pitch and pan envelopes applicable to specific zones, rather than the whole instrument at once. This post says that the devs are planning on it eventually, so it’s not really a novel request; it’s just something I’d like to see by the next big release.

Also, time stretching. The Rubberband add-on tool helps, but it’s not really adequate.

Choke or Mute Groups where samples or sample slots can be assigned to a group that will cut each other off.

I actually like the fact that renoise is a vertical scrolling music app NOT horizontal (since its a tracker).

Personally the only thing bugging me since I started with renoise is not to be able and visualize the timeline. :(

For all my melodies I always start on the MIDI keyboard and many times I don’t want to quantize things. However leaving my recording unquantized as is, looks awful and it’s really hard for me to understand where I playied something a bit too fast or a bit too slow. I understand that this is a tracker and not a sequencer but sometimes it’s just plain helpful to temporarily visualise. It would also be helpful for people like me without preor tracker experience to learn that “waiting for 3 ticks” looks like this, etc. Once you have got the picture in your mind you can just enter the apropriate command, but first you need to get that visual picture.

So these are the things I would like to see:

Timeline visualisation
I would like a shortcut which toggles the current pattern to a timeline temporarily. Maybe split the screen while holding the shortcut, to see on the one half the time visualisation? So on left we have the latency in command and on the right in timeline. Moving a MIDI command in the right, changes in real-time the latency command in the left.

“Manual Play” button
I would like a button called “Manual play” or something similar which automatically disables the quantize and streches the pattern while playing, endlessly. I know there is some workararound plugin that adds new patterns, but I think this should be a builtin solution. It would also be cool with some additional options like removing old recorded commands on a track on the second loop, etc.

With those 2 features or similar it would be really easy for people experienced only with sequencer DAWs to start quickly with Renoise :rolleyes:

Maybe a horizontal (swearing in church, I know ;)) timeline, could be visualized, present in the top of the Renoise gui? At the same place where you can also optionally have the master vu meters visualized (right mouse click menu enable/disable). Makes somewhat sense as this also is the spot the timer resides nearby. I would welcome this addition!

I just wanted to ass a few cents on the audio tracks issue. I have previously said it’s a dumb idea because Renoise is a tracker, and alot of us trekkers are agreeable to this. But after thinking about it for a while, I have a few points to make. Firstly, Renoise is indeed tracker-based, and uses a tracker-style spreadsheet for composition. But the fact is, Renoise has already gone past the scope of trackers. They’ve added tools to improve the functionality and possibility; sample tools for chopping, slicing, accessing, stretching, layering and mangling, and VST and native DSP tools for creating all sorts of sonic textures, far from SAW/SQR/SIN/NOIZ, and creating rich, near-endless combinations of sounds,. all this in a ddition to the many tools within the software as a means to improve the possibilities for us.
So I understand audio tracks are a break from the tradition of trackers, but Renoise has already been pushing the limits of what a tracker can be, what a tracker can do. Why not give them free range to keep pushing boundaries? Who knows if the devs even want to consider the idea of audio tracks? But if they do, would you want their creativity blocked by some purists? Eventually every upgrade to Renoise puts it further ahead of the classic definition of a tracker, but puts more power in our hands. I think audio tracks( yes I’d prefer vertical by the way ) would be a huge boon to many musicians, adding the possibility of session musicians and vocals and other non-quantifiable performances more sleekly into our songs, without going to another software package for those elements, or turning on auto-seek and just dropping in the recording to a new track, heaven forbid it’s off-sync. So do I think audio tracks would make Renoise any less of a tracker? No, it should always be a tracker with a grid and confusing numbers and letters( though a very powerful, flexible tracker). Would audio tracks vastly increase the power of the software? Yes, most certainly.

I’d like to still see buzz-ish modular effects routing…maybe have a minimap or even semimodular with simply a small grid and you turn routings on and off. But other than that, I can’t really think of anything ReNoise needs. At this point, it’s really just icing on the cake and some of the things being added are starting to clutter up the interface…

Also, I’m still wanting nibbles!

Nibbles | Renoise were you aware of this one? :)

I can’t see how audiotracks will improve my current workflow, other then being a visual heads up on how certain sounds look next to note events in the pattern editor, maybe easy aligning of for example, a reversed cymbal swell?

I don’t know if that is worth the implementation, all the trouble.

It’s more an issue of handling long samples like vocals and acoustic instruments. ATM saving takes a long time if you have a substantial number of these tracks. Also the workflow isn’t so great (if you record an audio track, it should just go into the song, rather htan having to turn on autoseek and place a dummy note to start it). IAlso relating to sample size is that it’s probably a good idea to stream these tracks form the disk to avoid running into memory issues (if you, for example, have 30-40 tracks of live guitars, vocals drums etc).

The visualization aspect is actually secondary to these workflow things to me. But it’s kindof a pain to work with a 3 minute audio track and have to remember that there was a note on event 60 patterns ago without any visual cue. Having a visual representation also allows for additional fancier features like slices and edits on long tracks, but these are less important to me than getting the basic functionality.

This times a million. +11

This is why Paketti ( http://tools.renoise.com/tools/paketti ) has a “Sample and place note on pattern, with GlideNote set to 01, enable AutoSeek” under 1 midibutton. or 1 keyboard shortcut.
I press it once, sample recorder starts recording in Pattern Loop Mode. Press it another time, recording stops, note is placed on pattern row 00, Glidenote01 is set so you can play 10 minute wavefiles fully while still looping a 32 row pattern.

I really like it, and it’s really swell, and it should be native, of course.

what a tracker is that? revisit?

Ah yes, makes sense for music that relies on long recorded takes. Renoise isn’t fit for multi-tracking a.t.m, but thats why the rewire thing was implemented some time ago, so you can hook it up to reaper or something. Wouldn’t mind having everything self-contained though.

AHX

Very cool, thanks for the tip, I didn’t know about that feature. I figured it’s probably pretty easy to address some of those workflow issues via scripting (that’s what it’s for) but as you say, integrating it into the native workflow is best.

Having been an IT user, paketti definitely looks tempting, but I’m also wary of adopting something that would radically alter the workflow like this (even if it’s for the better) in case new features get introduced which don’t fit in with the logic of this setup. Maybe that’s being paranoid though.

  1. LilyPond Export or
  2. MusicXML Export or, the best:
  3. “Normal” Notation