What would you want AI to do in Renoise?

AntiAI luddite

AI could be interesting for learning but i don’t want to have some music help by it.
you don’t like to chop the sample you record,how an ia could choice the good sample you want to cut or copy or keep in your library,you could say that it can deleted some blank in the file sox could do it with the good line of command.
yasunao tone try in one of his project some years ago to use his live to make creation as him but he always control.
merzbow a noise japanese music maker for one i know use ai for his artwork and i find this like garbage.
and many more use it for me it kill creativity ,an help ok but not the full work on ai.
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Totally agree! Work and passion, spot on.

Try it out, it works on some content, in other it sounds kind of artificial. Latest RX (one of the high versions I think) also has a tool for frequency restoration on band limited content. For low end there is the excellent MBassador from MeldaProduction. I use all of those when I produce my sound libraries at SoundFellas. For some material you can also try isolating parts of the spectrum, pitch shifting them upwards, and pass that through a vocoder as modulator with a carrier signal of white/pink noise or other kinds of dense signal (I use MNoiseGenerator again from MeldaProduction). Another way is to use Synplant to learn from the band limited sample and then tweak its source to produce a high fidelity clone. We live in great times! :slight_smile:

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thanks yes as always it seems results may vary!

the pitch shift is a good trick ive done that before yeah. also with a frequency shifter when extending the low frequencies. not thought to try a vocoder so thanks for that one.

synplant never quite got me where i wanted but has definitely lead some interesting other places haha. in terms of resynthesis visco is great for short (percussive) samples. i believe thats an additive engine, but with a visual interface so you can smoosh a spectogram around and push the frequencies where you want. similarly melda transform lets you get stuck into fft manipulation but both can get quite weird very quickly…

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AI Kool Aid Addict. See how easy ad hominem attacks can be? Grow up.

Funny. Do you think Renoise can contain a whole machine learning system? Do you have a GPU to run such a model on? If not, good luck running any actual AI model with more than a few thousand parameters. I would wager over half (being super generous) of what companies are lazily calling AI is just an algorithm, such as the transient detection algorithm already in Renoise. How would you train and “reward” such an AI? What if it decides slices you dont like, such as the current algorithm? Just chop the sample, its not hard. Jesus christ. All the ideas people float for AI are just minor time savers at best, and theft by another name at worst with no redeeming features, unless you actually want generic amalgam bullshit.

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Cloud RenAIse will do all that for me, remotly, but faster than a blink of eye. And with a bunch of time savers, I will save a bunch of time. I will focus on composing, arranging, mixing. When I think about all those people losing time chopping samples. Jesus Christ. If you like to chop samples, ok, chop samples, but don’t ask me to have fun with this part of music production. It’s dead. Life is too short. No time for that.

I can see your point, but imagine that people like me chopping samples is one of the most creative fun things to do. But of course, in your workflow, that could be a burden, so automation could allow you to focus more on the parts you do creatively.

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I don’t attack nothing, this just my viewpoint about AI in music.

So your viewpoint about AI in music is “AntiAI luddite”? Great arguments! :+1:
My viewpoint is: The more you use AI, the more you give up control and the more you’re destroying your creativity, ESPECIALLY in terms of music. And if you’re using AI for composition etc., AI is using you to finish AI’s creations and not vice versa.

I against usage of AI in creativity.

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Pop groups were hated by some people because they used synthesizers and drumboxes. Depeche Mode was hated by some people because they were using computers. MARSS was hated by some people because they were using samples. But don’t worry about haters, very good things are going to happen thanks to AI, as for synthesizers, computers, samplers. Bad things too, yes, of course. Like for synthesizers, computers, samplers. And you know what, I’m sure mainstream musical industry will make bad things with it as soon as possible. To make money. Now underground scene will make mindblowing things with AI. Because AI is mindblowing. It’s the future. It’s now.

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AI is so last year.

Keep AI outta my trackers bro.

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This is how the flux model sees a “music daw tracker software, on a crt monitor, dark room and bright monitor” (best prompt ever):

Isn’t that Renoise, but with a pianoroll???!? That analyzer looks fancy, too, and the photoshop like toolbar. (Maybe that’s just photoshop in video mode…)

I love how it is coming up with these guis, quite inspiring layouts:

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one thing. i gotta ask.
let’s say you have 500,000 samples in your sample folder.
and you write a script, that loads 12 random samples from the sample folder into a renoise instrument.
have you now “given up control, and destroyed your creativity” - if you decide that “shit, this sounds pretty good, let’s start making a song out of this sound.” ?

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Of course not, you didn’t even start composing/arranging. :bulb:

What you do in your bedroom of samples is your own business.

Also, I don’t quite have 500,000, but my collection and I have been pretty intimate over the years. I know where to find what im looking for when i need it.
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