For me it’s more about the devs opening up about their aspirations for Renoise, rather than a stone cold roadmap that we expect to be executed.
I’d just really like to know if the devs still have any appetite for the evolution of Renoise and maybe some words about their current projects. Just a bit of transparency and good will really because I think the community comes from a cool place and there is a lot of mutual respect.
Community engagement is important. It shows that users are important, helps drive expanding the user base and keep people connected to and enthused with future developments. Anyone who think community engagement isn’t necessary needs to study marketing for at least a semester (or just a week - to get a clue)
A quick comparison (rough stats) of similarly priced DAWs:
Reaper: New versions consistently, Devs post daily. Listens to the community regarding bugs and features for the next version. You can see from their forum profile that they were last online ‘today’
Waveform: New versions consistently. Devs post daily.Listens to the community regarding bugs and features for the next version. You can see from their forum profile that they were last online ‘today’
Renoise: Last update 2 years 1 (maybe 2 bug fixes notwithstanding), No recent posts. Can’t even tell you if the main Dev looks at the forum since his ‘last online’ in his profile is set to ‘private’.
Let’s say I was just starting out and shopping around for a DAW. My criteria narrowed it down the the three aforementioned products. I WOULD be concerned as a potential new user about how engaged the devs are but I probably wouldn’t even go as far as finding out how engaged they are when I read on the products website that the latest update was two years ago.
As a potential new customer, that would be where I stopped because I haven’t yet bought and would not feel invested to pour through forums and the like to see what the story is. Maybe I would since my criteria mandates Linux support so I have narrow options but you Windows/OSX users have a plethora of competing products so I could imagine that you would just move on.
I’ve got more to say that I’ve kept bottled-up for some time. Yes they are criticisms but don’t get me wrong, I’ve used Renoise for 5 years and make 7 albums with it - I love it. It’s because I love it I feel obliged to be critical and being critical, as opposed to sledging can help it grow new features and fixes at the least. It’s like as an Australian patriot I feel its my duty to hold my government accountable for what they do to the country I love. I am a Renoise patriot too.
I do have some critical words for this community too, unfortunately.
When people ask about new releases and features, they are often retorted with a paraphrase of “spend your time better by making music with it than asking (complaining)”. That’s not helpful advice. It’s not like the people asking are consumed with their post and halt being productive. It’s dismissive to respond that way. Luckily for me and being around these forums long enough, I get the in-joke of cat pictures and yeah, it’s cools by me - but - imagine a new user coming into a thread about the future of the product to see it end up in a spray of cat pictures, it somewhat says “We’ve given up on asking about the products future”. Turning this thread into cat pics is counter productive. The communityis working against the product they love. To flip things around, wouldn’t you be better of being productive in Renoise than wasting your time posting cat pictures? Hehehe. :)Oh that’s right, you can do BOTH!!!
My personal conclusion is that since the Renoise devs can’t be arsed in talking to us, they don’t really care about us which is probably an indicator that they don’t particularly care about their product either. I mean, I spent maybe 20 minutes writing this so that isn’t going to throw my life’s schedule into chaos. If the Devs cared, you would think they could afford 20 minutes (at least once) to say something about the state of things. Would it kill them to do so? I don’t think so, in fact a bit more involvement may halp sales eventually and more sales translates into more development effort - if they cared.
Instead of saying/thinking “don’t bother asking” about the product. This should be a call to arms. We should rally and demand our devs to get on-board with us - even if its just to say “Hi!”.
This product and community will (and is) slowly atrophy as time marches on and the product starts to look more defunct. Do you want that? No you don’t! Round up the troops!
Btw, I’m happy to reply to any comments or challenges to my post as long as they aren’t shitposts and offer some form of reasonable thought.