guys when you sum up the whole thing : “renoise is dying because of a lack of news from the front page”, don’t you see it ?
it’s exactly the same thing as the "end of the world end 2012’
" the world is dying because there’s no mayan calendar anymore".
pseudo logical thoughts
when the next beta will fall, how many of us will still believe in the death of renoise ?
Laugh all you want, but next to new releases threads and studio photos this is one of the most engaging one. Dude got a point with a community and it’s not so black and white, so Renoisers are cool, underground, independent and all around smart and the rest of the world is just stupid kids playing with mainstream “ejay” (If it exists anymore). Anyway as a mainly hip-hop producer I can’t imagine anything more suitable for me than Renoise and believe me it’s a 10 years in the industry working with all sorts of DAWs and studio equipment, so in my opinion the product is there no question and the team behind it does great job. On the other hand neither the page nor forum is really engaging even though most people are really friendly and that is the core of the lack of big celebrity to advertise the product. Even if there is one, he or she will probably never know that we maybe need him/her and on the other hand how we know that someone like that exists? Closed community might have advantages but like all closed communities it’s eventually going to fade or die.
Is there a suitable solution for everyone? Sure - if you don’t want to drive stupid people to you, produce smart content. Excellent example - Keith303, just a plain and simple video of patters of a great track and dude didn’t even had to say a single word to give me tons of ideas on how to route tracks and crank the nobs to get to where I want. Some time ago when parallel compression was the shit I would kill then for a nice tutorial on how to implement it effectively. The point is there are many people who could benefit from my knowledge just like there are many I could benefit from, but we never know… And yes, I feel responsible and I want to help.
IMO one important point that deserves to be mentioned in this thread is this:
Some kind of official statements from the developers & team that exposed THEIR actual thinking about Renoise and where THEY stand in issues such as Idealistic Proprietary software vs More commercialism could help to reduce the amount of endless debates in these forums.
Just link to the statement and everybody will need to accept it.
dude,
I’m happy they don’t post here, at least in my fantasy they’re hard at work on funky cool stuff instead of wasting time answering you.
I’m all for promoting and growing the user base. I just don’t want Renoise to end up with that ugly kind of tacked-on feature creep or bloat that other DAWs end up with because they try to respond to what certain demographics demand from them. I don’t think it will though, so the point’s probably moot. Just irks me a bit to think about it.
Agree, I also don’t like bloated stuff and love that Renoise is primarily a great tech tool that just works. Nonetheless, I wish this tool would include some of the features other DAW’s have. It’s not prebuilt stuff like constructions kits or presets or the latest funky GUI that I’m after.
Hey Chris 
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thanks for the hints, but IMO the explanations in these threads are not satisfying.
What they actually say is: “we do it our way and we won’t change a thing. Never change a running system. Period.”
They can do that - of couse -, but I regard this attitude at least as ignorant.
.xrns asked if the developers’ comments about update reports were in writing…
I don’t agree with it but it is the reason why I’m not alarmed.
You and I have had this exact conversation before. You said this, “they owe me,” remark last time. I couldn’t find the thread, or the posts. Well whatever man, I do not see the world this way.
People, “owe,” each other a safe world, without war, without poverty, without hunger, without rape, without tyranny, without hate, without fear, without evil. People owe it to ourselves to better the world in which we live in, and owe our children and grandchildren a more beautiful, safe place. Our human responsibility starts and ends with basic human rights; somewhere in there is a debt we should pay to our Earth, so that we keep it a natural, healthy ecosystem.
If you open your eyes to the real debt of society, and the failure of the human species to pay any sort of real debt of responsibility we should have to each other, than maybe you can see, “there is nothing owed to you by Renoise.” It is a tool that is used to create music. If anything you owe it to the world to learn the tool, so that you may open some minds, and heal some wounds with the music you create.
Got it? Good. Renoise does not owe us anything. We owe Renoise. We also owe a debt to the world, one that our species can never repay, for the history of suffering we have inflicted upon each other, not limited to war, hunger, and tyranny, and countless examples of flagrant disregard for basic human rights; inclusive of pollution, the damaged caused by it, the very visible suffering of our oceans, our ozone, our rainforest’s, our entire ecosystem.
We all fail here. We are all responsible for the messes we have created.
Maybe I’m going to make some music today!
I just did, after ages of not doing that, and I realized, once again, just how perfect Renoise is. Yes, I’d love more features/releases, and I’d love the devs to swim in money, I’d like more interviews and music and whatnot… but still, Renoise is this perfect workbench where that what is there just works, all the time, every time. I really think the limit is the creativity, not the tool itself. It gives you so many ways to achieve a thing, so many ways to combine them, so many ways to organize them… and songs are still about melody and rhythm and emotion, not gimmicks, not even effects that much. I don’t know about you guys, but when I use Renoise, I’m the weakest link in the equation, always ^^ Sure, I don’t try to write top 10 hits, I don’t consider myself a musician and never really did… I just like melodies, especially chippy ones. And in that respect Renoise still is more than I ever dreamed of.
Rambling aside: How about more community made sites? Not that this one isn’t fine, but the more, the merrier? You guys could interview each other (!), there could be polls, competitions (again, the more, the merrier), song and plugin reviews… who cares if renoise.com is updated a lot, or even links to these community sites; as long as they link back… and you know they are laid back, too; so as long as it’s for the good of Renoise you can do whatever the fuck you want and will get support. So go for it?
Indeed. I could definitely use time-stretching like nobody’s business.
Shit just got dark. 
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i don’t see any “Legendary Protracker Pro and Renoise GrandFather” beneath my profile icon 
i am thinking about doing another tutorial again. about how i tracked my ‘u need me luvin’ song in renoise and reduced the size down to ehm can’t remember,
80kb or so, but still having a proper and crisp mastered sound.
or another tutorial, but i am soooooooooo lazy 
my 2 tutorials 
Since some people obviously can’t read what I actually wrote, I’ll say it in other words.
I don’t expect Renoise developers to spend more time in the forums, answering questions from users. Nor do I desire this kind of social interaction. I think we can all agree that it’s better if they’re off coding Renoise instead.
But I’m saying that if there was some kind of short and simple official statement regarding the design philosophy of Renoise (no, not in the forums, but available in e.g. the product FAQ), people would probably find it harder to tell the developers what to do better (i.e. better marketing, better UI, better implementation of features found in other softwares, etc).
Why? Because threads such as this one could simply be answered with a reference to those official words and that’s it. It would clear the fog about what value foundation Renoise is resting on, and where it’s likely to go (in terms of marketing, etc).
ok, tomorrow morning I’ll go to the local bakery, order cake and coffee, and if they ask me for money I’ll them your story and that I would owe them nothing />/>/>.
No seriously, communism is a nice idea that doesn’t work as history tells us.
That said I appreciate your attitude about responsibility for the world. But for me there’s also a responsibility between business partners. Both parties made a contract.
And that doesn’t mean, that capitalism is an idea that works.
In fact, both were nice ideas if you take the idea from its base and not the execution of the idea, which involves corrupted and dumbed down humans executing the idea.
So the problem is most likely: not the idea itself, but something else needs a terribly overdue change of what?
Change of the human nature. We will have to wait until the science of biology is
further and we can finally alter the way humans function, feel and think.