The fact that Renoise itself is (in my opinion) a superior DAW compared to all others ive tried - along with its old-school roots [Scream Tracker/FastTracker etc lives!]. I dont care of the main page isnt updated constantly. Renoise Team - You rock , and thank you! 
It took me a while to experiment with several marketing strategies.
The outcome was this:
Honestly, I prefer a program to work and create with over being littered with news which may not even concern me - unless they concern me in some way, such as a new release.
So… when’s Renoise Celebrity edition coming?
You missed the point. What I was trying to say: I’ve submitted money to Renoise and bought some upgrades.
And since the normal update interval is far beyond deadline now, they owe me something. At least I could expect some informations / explanations about the delay.
Moreover, Taktik himself replied in a support mail in autumn 2007 (!) that e.g. WAV-tracks are planned and would be realized,
He also mentioned that they can’t promise how fast they would be, but hey it’s 2013 now. That’s over five years ago !
ok, would be interesting how many Renoise users exist out there which don’t visit the forums regularly. I know at least 20 people or so which don’t.
So have these people nothing to do with it ?
To speak for myself: I simply don’t have the time and interest to check out the forum on a daily basis. So I would say: I’m not very interested in the community (no offense guys, just honest), but I’m much more interested in Renoise as a flexible music production tool which fits to my needs. I’m 100% sure that there is a market for Renoise in the professional realms. IMO Renoise just had to add some of the usual features other DAW’s have. Trying to be attractive for this market doesn’t mean that Renoise wouldn’t be “cool” anymore. IMO it’s the opposite.
guys when you sum up the whole thing : “renoise is dying because of a lack of news from the front page”, don’t you see it ?
it’s exactly the same thing as the "end of the world end 2012’
" the world is dying because there’s no mayan calendar anymore".
pseudo logical thoughts
when the next beta will fall, how many of us will still believe in the death of renoise ?
Laugh all you want, but next to new releases threads and studio photos this is one of the most engaging one. Dude got a point with a community and it’s not so black and white, so Renoisers are cool, underground, independent and all around smart and the rest of the world is just stupid kids playing with mainstream “ejay” (If it exists anymore). Anyway as a mainly hip-hop producer I can’t imagine anything more suitable for me than Renoise and believe me it’s a 10 years in the industry working with all sorts of DAWs and studio equipment, so in my opinion the product is there no question and the team behind it does great job. On the other hand neither the page nor forum is really engaging even though most people are really friendly and that is the core of the lack of big celebrity to advertise the product. Even if there is one, he or she will probably never know that we maybe need him/her and on the other hand how we know that someone like that exists? Closed community might have advantages but like all closed communities it’s eventually going to fade or die.
Is there a suitable solution for everyone? Sure - if you don’t want to drive stupid people to you, produce smart content. Excellent example - Keith303, just a plain and simple video of patters of a great track and dude didn’t even had to say a single word to give me tons of ideas on how to route tracks and crank the nobs to get to where I want. Some time ago when parallel compression was the shit I would kill then for a nice tutorial on how to implement it effectively. The point is there are many people who could benefit from my knowledge just like there are many I could benefit from, but we never know… And yes, I feel responsible and I want to help.
IMO one important point that deserves to be mentioned in this thread is this:
Some kind of official statements from the developers & team that exposed THEIR actual thinking about Renoise and where THEY stand in issues such as Idealistic Proprietary software vs More commercialism could help to reduce the amount of endless debates in these forums.
Just link to the statement and everybody will need to accept it.
dude,
I’m happy they don’t post here, at least in my fantasy they’re hard at work on funky cool stuff instead of wasting time answering you.
I’m all for promoting and growing the user base. I just don’t want Renoise to end up with that ugly kind of tacked-on feature creep or bloat that other DAWs end up with because they try to respond to what certain demographics demand from them. I don’t think it will though, so the point’s probably moot. Just irks me a bit to think about it.
Agree, I also don’t like bloated stuff and love that Renoise is primarily a great tech tool that just works. Nonetheless, I wish this tool would include some of the features other DAW’s have. It’s not prebuilt stuff like constructions kits or presets or the latest funky GUI that I’m after.
Hey Chris 
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thanks for the hints, but IMO the explanations in these threads are not satisfying.
What they actually say is: “we do it our way and we won’t change a thing. Never change a running system. Period.”
They can do that - of couse -, but I regard this attitude at least as ignorant.
.xrns asked if the developers’ comments about update reports were in writing…
I don’t agree with it but it is the reason why I’m not alarmed.
You and I have had this exact conversation before. You said this, “they owe me,” remark last time. I couldn’t find the thread, or the posts. Well whatever man, I do not see the world this way.
People, “owe,” each other a safe world, without war, without poverty, without hunger, without rape, without tyranny, without hate, without fear, without evil. People owe it to ourselves to better the world in which we live in, and owe our children and grandchildren a more beautiful, safe place. Our human responsibility starts and ends with basic human rights; somewhere in there is a debt we should pay to our Earth, so that we keep it a natural, healthy ecosystem.
If you open your eyes to the real debt of society, and the failure of the human species to pay any sort of real debt of responsibility we should have to each other, than maybe you can see, “there is nothing owed to you by Renoise.” It is a tool that is used to create music. If anything you owe it to the world to learn the tool, so that you may open some minds, and heal some wounds with the music you create.
Got it? Good. Renoise does not owe us anything. We owe Renoise. We also owe a debt to the world, one that our species can never repay, for the history of suffering we have inflicted upon each other, not limited to war, hunger, and tyranny, and countless examples of flagrant disregard for basic human rights; inclusive of pollution, the damaged caused by it, the very visible suffering of our oceans, our ozone, our rainforest’s, our entire ecosystem.
We all fail here. We are all responsible for the messes we have created.
Maybe I’m going to make some music today!
I just did, after ages of not doing that, and I realized, once again, just how perfect Renoise is. Yes, I’d love more features/releases, and I’d love the devs to swim in money, I’d like more interviews and music and whatnot… but still, Renoise is this perfect workbench where that what is there just works, all the time, every time. I really think the limit is the creativity, not the tool itself. It gives you so many ways to achieve a thing, so many ways to combine them, so many ways to organize them… and songs are still about melody and rhythm and emotion, not gimmicks, not even effects that much. I don’t know about you guys, but when I use Renoise, I’m the weakest link in the equation, always ^^ Sure, I don’t try to write top 10 hits, I don’t consider myself a musician and never really did… I just like melodies, especially chippy ones. And in that respect Renoise still is more than I ever dreamed of.
Rambling aside: How about more community made sites? Not that this one isn’t fine, but the more, the merrier? You guys could interview each other (!), there could be polls, competitions (again, the more, the merrier), song and plugin reviews… who cares if renoise.com is updated a lot, or even links to these community sites; as long as they link back… and you know they are laid back, too; so as long as it’s for the good of Renoise you can do whatever the fuck you want and will get support. So go for it?
Indeed. I could definitely use time-stretching like nobody’s business.
Shit just got dark. 
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i don’t see any “Legendary Protracker Pro and Renoise GrandFather” beneath my profile icon 
i am thinking about doing another tutorial again. about how i tracked my ‘u need me luvin’ song in renoise and reduced the size down to ehm can’t remember,
80kb or so, but still having a proper and crisp mastered sound.
or another tutorial, but i am soooooooooo lazy 
my 2 tutorials 