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#51 Ozego

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 17:41

But you can't make flats in renoise, only sharps T^T

Honestly though I always found music theory really obscurified and redundant. I know the historical reason for differencing between flats and sharps and I know that forquite a few instances it can be useful. But to me it really seems that 90% of musical theory is purely made for large orchestra playings. To most amateurs, bands and producers, it's useless differencing something that is essentially the same. The same goes for natural minor scales, descening melodic minor scales all the other minor scales that are major scales with a different prime note.
I guess it shows that I am purely self taught.
Btw. I never ever use the circle of fifths for other purposes than locating the bass buttons on my accordion, I always use the "circle of ones" for composing.

Edited by Gooze, 15 September 2011 - 18:18.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 21:11

It's about which notes are in the major scale.

So in Ab It's Ab - Bb - C - Db - Eb - F - G

(A-B-C-D-E-F-G with a few flats)

If you would call that scale G#, you'd get a rather messy note followup in major scale: G# - A# - C - C# - D# - F - G

(G-A-C-C-D-F-G with a few sharps)


You see, you'll get double G and double A notes. It's fine if you can put everything together in your head but I don't think you should put this out to anyone else since you'll be presenting them very confusing information.
The beauty of the circles is that you can SEE how the system is build up, you're changing it so it doesn't make sense anymore, so why would you have it then ;)

Edited by td6d, 15 September 2011 - 21:16.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 22:15

i'm eagerly awaiting the outcome of this debate before i make any changes to my cheat sheet :)

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 02:31

The only thing I'm trying to say is; you can put it in like this, but you obviously don't understand what it stands for, so why bother then? If you're not using it yourself, don't confuse others that try to learn about the western scales. ;)

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 17:02

Oh dear... I really hate Internet discussions. But here goes:
First of, I would agree that you (rhowaldt) probably should not put it on your cheatsheet for the reason that td6d stated: it is not the conventional way of representing it and therefore might be confusing to people who are learning. I fully agree on that point, and like I said I am self taught so I am the worst kind of authority on this point. Also you have a link to Suva's chord machine which is better than my chart. However:

I love theory.

And saying that the circle of fifths is for telling the number of flats in a scale is really an understatement. It is like saying the the colour circle is for telling what the complimentary colour is. It is always the first usage of it that is mentioned but once you know the system, you won't need the chart for doing it anymore.

What the circle of fifth is is a graphical chart showing the relationship of notes. It is arranged according to intervals of five half-tones because this gives even harmonic/consonant steps, as opposed to putting the up linearly as my "circle of ones" (I don't know what it is actually called... circular chromatic graph?). The beuati of using such a circle for composing is that it is even, circular and doesn't difference between octaves making it an ideal tool for transposing, figuring out a relative scale and finding your way out of a complicated progression.

And I do use it, just not for composing. If you've ever played the accordion you would know that the bass bellows is arranged accordingly intervals of fifths and since you are not likely to find an accordion arrangement for the song you want to play you often have make use with a piano arrangement. It comes in handy for translating.
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I knew the intervals of the circle of fifths before I had even heard about it... I think it is a tool that all musicians can have joy of, not just pianists.
(I'm a terrible accordionist though)


The chart is the stuff I use when I compose and play music, I was just inspired rhowaldt to put it all up on one well organized page and I wanted to say thank you and show off that I know how to make dark glowy stuff in photoshop. I didn't mean to do any harm... I always think in sharps because it helps me avoid getting confused, I can see how it would do the opposite for most musicians though.
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Posted 16 September 2011 - 17:09

Oh dear... I really hate Internet discussions. But here goes:
First of, I would agree that you (rhowaldt) probably should not put it on your cheatsheet for the reason that td6d stated: it is not the conventional way of representing it and therefore might be confusing to people who are learning.


Although (as you mention in the closing Spoiler) it is the representation Renoise uses and it is a Renoise Cheat Sheet ;)

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 22:39

@Gooze: man, don't apologize to me for anything. i only understand half this shit, and your photoshop-design-skills are truly showing in that chart you did, which is why i was awed and amazed and happy to have some well-designed overview of a system i do not understand to put on my cheat sheet. the discussion with td6d is interesting, and i understand what it is about now. in the end, this is my own personal cheat sheet, and i just allow others to use it, so i will add stuff as i see fit. i think your chart fits, especially because Renoise does not use flats, and a flat is something i am typing this in right now :)

i agree that the chart does not represent the conventional way (and no disrespect to td6d at all), but i do not care much for conventions anyway. i am self-taught as well so i can only appreciate your efforts and do you a bit of honor by publishing that chart! (which will happen sometime in the future :D)

no matter how much you may suck at it, i love that you play the accordion because it is a beautiful instrument. you only need to listen to Fanfare Ciocarlia to know why.

Edited by rhowaldt, 16 September 2011 - 22:40.


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Posted 16 September 2011 - 23:56

Don't worry, I hate internet discussions too ;) (so I won't continue my reasoning/ranting)
The beauty of the circle of fifths is that you can see which notes are flat or sharp in what scale too (for flats you have to start at Bb and just go counter clockwise, for sharps start at F and go clockwise)
Shit, now I'm explaining again! Whatever guys, do what you want. In my eyes you're just being a little stubborn. ^_^

(oh and telling me the cirlcle of fifths is for checking out which notes are 5 semitones (a fifth) from the one before that as something deeper than telling how many flats or sharps there are.. :lol:)

Don't get me wrong though, I liked the chart, nice colours.


Edit: maybe call it 'the circle of tracker fifths' :D

Edited by td6d, 17 September 2011 - 00:35.

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 00:54

maybe call it 'the circle of tracker fifths' :D

'the Renoise circle of fifths' or 'the circle of fifths (badass Renoise edition)' could be good too. maybe come up with some more :)

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 18:00

@Gooze: it is here: http://roald.exul.nl...t/reference.php (scroll down)

added a link to this thread so people can find out about the Renoise Circle of Fifths, and read td6d's comments and stuff :)

Edited by rhowaldt, 17 September 2011 - 18:01.


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Posted 05 December 2011 - 03:59

Noooo! The formula device is missing again! :panic:

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 04:20

Some corrections:

-The Volume Column section of the Effects page says 00-40 sets the volume of the current subtrack, when in actuality it's 00-7F.

-The Bx, Dx, and Ex commands work in the volume column as well.

-Subtrack? Those are note columns. We should stick with official nomenclature to avoid confusion.

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 11:36

hi whark, thanks, i'll see when i get to fixing these... however, i must say, they are image files, so i'd have to go to relatively great lengths to adapt them all and not sure i'll have the time to do that in the near future. so i might put it off for an extended amount of time. just so you know :)

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 03:50

Wish this still existed!!!  :mellow:


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Posted 19 December 2016 - 12:34

There's still a copy stored at https://web.archive....ise/cheatsheet/

 

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Wish this still existed!!!  :mellow:


Edited by bmts, 19 December 2016 - 12:48.

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 17:24

Are we talking about this?

 

http://files.renoise...ct_Commands.png

 

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edit, or printable version;

 

Renoise_Redux_Effect_Commands_Printable.


Edited by Djeroek, 20 December 2016 - 17:29.

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 17:55

bmts

Those commands are outdated, i think they're from before 2.5 or something. Djeroek posted the most recent version.



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Posted 26 February 2017 - 14:18

Oooo, I dived a little more into http://files.renoise.com/manual/ and found a wide version of the cheat sheet which is great to use as a wallpaper on a desktop/workspace devoted to Renoise. 

 

http://files.renoise...mmands_Wide.pngRenoise_Redux_Effect_Commands_Wide.png



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Posted 23 May 2017 - 20:32

Oh look! Cheatsheets! Neat! 

Never knew about the -Xxx command. crafty for cutting dem reverbs and delays.  Thanks!