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#101 TheBellows

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Posted 22 December 2016 - 18:01

May I post a picture, edited in photoshop, of a cat using a wacom pen while it's listening at a Audition rendered track made in Renoise on a windows platform through his Senheiser headphones. And notice I avoided mentioning that Glitch 2 is actualy at 50%...

 

Still in the thread's subject. Devs. are working on a VR Universal Creation Environment Platform, but with both subscription and one time paid model.

No, you need to edit it in GIMP, using an oldschool rubber ball mouse on sand, make it in screamtracker 3 and render it in Audacity on Linux and listen through PC speaker. You don't need glitch 2, because you do it all on an old pentium 1 and system is already glitchy as hell.


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Posted 22 December 2016 - 23:34

I'll just leave my video here.... And if someone still thinking that everything fine with Renoise.... OoooKkkkkk... 

 

 

I fully agree that the automation envelopes in Renoise are really weak and time consuming. Especially at pattern borders it's a pita to set envelope points. Also there's only one automation lane editable. You can't see the other lanes in relation to the lane which is edited. A major drawback. And not consistent, because multiple tracks and notes are visible, but not the automation data. In Bitwig it's similar like in Reaper ! And then we haven't talked about envelope recording. E.g. for the faderport: in Reaper they provide an undo feature. In Renoise there still isn't.


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Posted 22 December 2016 - 23:43

Bitwig can do this, too.


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 01:08

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 15:04

Bit wig is the new Renoise! Only missing: The tracker view. Let's flood the bitwig forum now with this feature request?


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 15:20

Bit wig is the new Renoise! Only missing: The tracker view. Let's flood the bitwig forum now with this feature request?

 

You could use Redux for that ^^. I'm pretty sure that Bitwig won't implement a tracker view. They copied a lot of other things from Renoise, though.



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Posted 23 December 2016 - 15:22

This topic is getting really weird. 
 
To answer the original topic's question:
 
We're doing little work on Renoise right now, mainly small clean-ups and bug fixing and have started some other project a while ago too. That we're doing something else doesn't mean that Renoise is dead. I think it will benefit Renoise and Co in the long term. We always have been working on/off Renoise in the past. 
 
If Renoise or Redux is worth the money should be decided by what it is, and not what it could be.
 
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We're actually a tiny team. Some of you may not be aware of this:
 
- DBlue is taking care of E-Mail and other Renoise related support things
- Danoise is doing extra graphical/web/conceptional stuff and XRNX tooling
- I'm the only active developer for Renoise - always have been the main dev. We used to be max 2 "full time" coders for a while, but since a few years it's just me again.
We're doing meetings every now and then in a small office in Berlin. 
 
There are many more people around that like Duncan, Paul, SatoBox and others, doing sometimes more and sometimes less work for Renoise - payed or for the fun of it - but there's definitely no big stack of "coders" waiting to implement this and that feature as planed and tracked by some other guys. 
 
There are also no plans to change this: Renoise is a niche product in a niche market. Trackers never will be THE way of doing music. And honestly, they should not: they make a lot of sense to some, none at all to most. Adding a piano-roll on top won't fix that. Making Renoise open-source also won't fix this: this would simply create a new bunch of other problems.
 
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I do get that many of you here are getting more and more frustrated because "their" THE MISSING feature isn't implemented - after all those years. But we really never will be able to fix that under those circumstances.
 
Redux actually was an idea to fix this problem once for all, by bringing the core of a tracker into "your" other DAW of your choice, so that you can use all the other features you always wanted, but no tracker. 
 
This wasn't meant as an excuse to NOT implement this and that feature into Renoise, but we know how much time it takes us to bring new stuff into Renoise, so that was meant as an offer to be more free in the choice of tools that you can !now! use and combine. Hard to say if that plan really worked out at the end. But that brought phrases into Renoise too - which surely makes things more complicated in Renoise itself but also offers a big bunch of even more nerdy tracker alike things again into Renoise again.
 
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I do understand though, that the lack of information is causing such threads too:
If it helps to write more "what's currently happening here" blog or forum posts, we will try doing that in future. Right now there's not much happening though.
 
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PS: @Andrey Marchenko: What are you currently working on? Will our work on Renoise and Redux be well spent? ;)

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 15:28

Oh, and we should fix: http://www.renoise.com/who-are-we

 

That's a list of people who have dome something for Renoise in the past (credits) and not a "who is behind Renoise". The Renoise office is not filling up an entire building in Berlin.


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 15:34

You could use Redux for that ^^. I'm pretty sure that Bitwig won't implement a tracker view. They copied a lot of other things from Renoise, though.

 

 

Yes true. Ah only redux would have to be a midi out plugin for me, not a sample mangler. Ok, still for using some renoise instruments it's nice to have, but mostly I use synths. Maybe I really should try rewire?


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 15:43

Oh, and we should fix: http://www.renoise.com/who-are-we

 

That's a list of people who have dome something for Renoise in the past (credits) and not a "who is behind Renoise". The Renoise office is not filling up an entire building in Berlin.

 

Reality check acknowledged.

 

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 17:46

 

Renoise is a niche product in a niche market. Trackers never will be THE way of doing music. And honestly, they should not: they make a lot of sense to some, none at all to most.

 

 

I really hope people take this on board


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 17:59

THANKS taktik ! Even if I don't like to hear that Renoise is not in focus, I appreciate your information and that you clarified things. No more guessing. The facts are there, now.

 

I also think that Renoise as a tracker is not designed for the mass market and will be a niche product. Nonetheless it already adopted many features which are standard in the mass market and thus became a much more attractive piece of  DAW software. I really hope this journey will continue. Right now I'm testing bitwig and my impression is, that they copied many good things from Renoise and Ableton. So they learned from Renoise, and Renoise devs can be proud that their product served as a model. On the other hand we all learn from each other. So Renoise could also learn from bitwig and other DAW's.

 

However, looking back in this thread and before I was not always nice and it's true: often not very encouraging and hard critizing. Therefore, I want to apologize if that was overall too negative. I appreciate that you and your team developed Renoise over all those years. It worked always rock solid, an overall awesome piece of software, and is still the best tracker on the market. The LUA API is overall awesome and well done, too. Thank you for that. Only thing is, that even the best tracker in the world needs progress. I'm curious what the future and your new product will bring.

 

Merry Christmas and peace


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 19:05

E.g. because features like wav tracks were "kind of" announced. Also with the the introduction of 2.8 or 3.0  there was talk that this version(s) would lay the ground for later things like wav tracks. I'm granted updates till 4.0 and I wait for features like this for a long time now. I feel tricked and I'm really disappointed about it.

 I can't remember any promise that we will get wave tracks in any specific update? It wouldn't make sense if they promised something like that because they never announce future features. The talk that this version would lay the ground for later stuff was all about taktik rewriting much of the code from ground up if i'm not mistaking. The whole instrument section was totally refurbished, you remember how much it actually has improved since 2.8 don't you?
 

Reaper provides monthly updates and always worked for me rock solid. It's possible to deliver frequent updates without breaking things.

When did Renoise become Reaper? If Reaper is so rock solid, then why does it need to be updated monthly? What kind of updates are we talking about?
Reaper is a rather new project, it would make sence if the frequency of updates would naturally lower with age.
Renoise is a project that does its own thing, while Reaper seem to build on stuff that has already been done. It's not a tracker, it's not based on ticks per line and they might also have less complex code to work with, i don't know, but i kinda have a hunch that the codes looks entirely different from a programmers point of view. This is of course only speculation from me as i really don't have a clue about these kind of stuff and i have never even used Reaper.

 

Totally untrue ! Problem is, that for certain questions they don't give ANY answers. They could answer those questions with simple news blogs, faqs whatever. But they don't. And thus we have threads like this.

 They did actually, but just not the answers you want...and probably a lot less frequently than you want.
 
 

Also wrong. I need a car without fancy stuff. I need bread and butter features,without rear view cameras and that stuff. But they added it ! All I wanted was more bread and butter, but they gave me the vanguard menu ;-).

So what you're saying is that when you buy a new car they will continue to upgrade it and do service on it for free for several years to come? Change oil, wash it, change wipers, refill wiper fluid, change tires...the usual bread and butter?
 

The silence and absence of the Renoise team causes negativity. I'm on board here since 2008 and also have contributed some things. In contrast to the Renoise team I never took or earned a cent for my work. But they just ignore many volunteer people like me. And how comes you know my age ? I probably could be your father, mate !

If you could be my father you must be quite old. I'm actually about the same age as the devs here. I first registered in 2005 i believe, not very active on forum that time though, but i started using Renoise in 2004 or 2005. Since then, many requests has been realized and many has not. They have never been very open about the releases and i don't expect this to change all of a sudden.  They've had periods with much more frequent updates and bug fixes and such, and yes i do miss those times in a way, but honestly i sometimes had a hard time keeping up with all the changes. Both releases 3.0 and 3.1 has to me been the best releases ever, they have really expanded my creative freedom. I understand that you feel differently, but you shouldn't go around and think that everything evolves around you. Lots of decisions have been taken to make something they believe in and it's not possible to realize everyones dream. 
 

There's a reason why people complain. It doesn't help to play things down again and again. The communication method of the Renoise team (radio silence) is not satisfying. And as long as they stubbornly follow this route, there will be problems and complains and not "happy clappy". Why is that so difficult to understand ?

There's a reason for everything. Their communication method is excellent, all the times i have communicated with any of the devs they have handled it very politely and helpful. The lack of communication out to the general public could have been better though, but i don't really blame the guys. People have different personalities and abilities and as taktik just stated they're 4 guys taking care of everything. 

We could probably quote each other and argue into eternity, but i doubt anyone of us will get much out of it. :P

Looks like a small gesture can make a big difference though:

THANKS taktik ! Even if I don't like to hear that Renoise is not in focus, I appreciate your information and that you clarified things. No more guessing. The facts are there, now.

 

I also think that Renoise as a tracker is not designed for the mass market and will be a niche product. Nonetheless it already adopted many features which are standard in the mass market and thus became a much more attractive piece of  DAW software. I really hope this journey will continue. Right now I'm testing bitwig and my impression is, that they copied many good things from Renoise and Ableton. So they learned from Renoise, and Renoise devs can be proud that their product served as a model. On the other hand we all learn from each other. So Renoise could also learn from bitwig and other DAW's.

 

However, looking back in this thread and behind I was not always nice and it's true: often not very encouraging and hard critizing. Therefore, I want to apologize if that was overall too negative. I appreciate that you and your team developed Renoise over all those years. It worked always rock solid, an overall awesome piece of software, and is still the best tracker on the market. The LUA API is overall awesome and well done, too. Thank you for that. Only thing is, that even the best tracker in the world needs progress. I'm curious what the future and your new product will bring.

 

Merry Christmas and peace

 

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I hope for a great future for Renoise and wish you all a happy Christmas!


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 20:01

This topic is getting really weird. 
 
To answer the original topic's question:
 
We're doing..


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 23:16

When did Renoise become Reaper? If Reaper is so rock solid, then why does it need to be updated monthly? What kind of updates are we talking about?
Reaper is a rather new project, it would make sence if the frequency of updates would naturally lower with age.

 

Reaper fixes stuff like every software product, but they introduce new features on a monthly basis. It's even possible to download daily or weekly beta/alpha/release candidate versions. I update very often and also worked with beta versions. And almost no crashes in all those years. The stability is comparable to Renoise. I referenced to Reaper as a positive example of a frequent release model. Reaper is not a rather new project. It started in 2005 and is over 10 years old. They had this release model since the beginning. But of course, every project has it's own speed.

 

If you could be my father you must be quite old. I'm actually about the same age as the devs here. I first registered in 2005 i believe, not very active on forum that time though, but i started using Renoise in 2004 or 2005.

 

 

well, my first tracker was the original "The Ultimate Soundtracker" by Karsten Obarski. BTW: It was the first tracker in history. I even bought it when it came out. And by that time I must have been 14 years old, or so.
 

I understand that you feel differently, but you shouldn't go around and think that everything evolves around you. Lots of decisions have been taken to make something they believe in and it's not possible to realize everyones dream. 

 

 

That's true, not all personal dreams can be realized, but maybe wishes from a bigger  user group ?

 

There's a reason for everything. Their communication method is excellent, all the times i have communicated with any of the devs they have handled it very politely and helpful. The lack of communication out to the general public could have been better though, but i don't really blame the guys. People have different personalities and abilities

 

Yes, they are indeed nice and helpfull guys. What I refered to was related to more information about the status of the project.

 

and as taktik just stated they're 4 guys taking care of everything. We could probably quote each other and argue into eternity, but i doubt anyone of us will get much out of it. :P

Looks like a small gesture can make a big difference though:

 
It's a kind of curse. In forums it's so easy to fall in dogmatic/bossy (?) discussions that will never end. All the non-verbal information is missing. On the other hand, at least we try to talk :D

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Posted 24 December 2016 - 02:53

It's not the thread that causes, stress. The stress is caused by Renoise organization's attitude towards users. Ignorance and silence causes stress.

 

What is causing your stress is the way you look at the situation. You can change that at any time, regardless of what Taktik does or doesn't do.

 

Anyway, I see that Taktik responded, and perhaps that'll help, for a while. :) It's not that I don't understand or share the desire for more information, and I would pay for UI scaling for high-dpi displays (since I see in screenshots that OSX handles that much better than Windows 10, there is a second tree I could bark at), but the exaggerated doom saying on the forum lately isn't constructive.


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Posted 24 December 2016 - 03:44

What is causing your stress is the way you look at the situation. You can change that at any time, regardless of what Taktik does or doesn't do.

 

Anyway, I see that Taktik responded, and perhaps that'll help, for a while. :) It's not that I don't understand or share the desire for more information, and I would pay for UI scaling for high-dpi displays (since I see in screenshots that OSX handles that much better than Windows 10, there is a second tree I could bark at), but the exaggerated doom saying on the forum lately isn't constructive.

 

Hey it's christmas ... peace ! And, yes it's sorted out.... at least for me :-)


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Posted 24 December 2016 - 03:58

Hey it's christmas ... peace ! And, yes it's sorted out.... at least for me :-)

 

I agree -- good attitude, too! :)  Schönes Fest und guten Rutsch!



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Posted 24 December 2016 - 17:59

 
Redux actually was an idea to fix this problem once for all, by bringing the core of a tracker into "your" other DAW of your choice, so that you can use all the other features you always wanted, but no tracker. 
 

 

Cheers, that was basicly the reason I bought Redux earlier today. Love it, just as Renoise.


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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:16

If Redux would have midi out then classic daw plus it can be alternative to renoise but not now.
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Posted 25 December 2016 - 11:49

If Redux would have midi out then classic daw plus it can be alternative to renoise but not now.

 

+1

 

Given the reason why Redux was made, this seems like a very strange oversight...


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Posted 25 December 2016 - 20:33

This topic is getting really weird.

 
[...]
 
I do understand though, that the lack of information is causing such threads too:
If it helps to write more "what's currently happening here" blog or forum posts, we will try doing that in future. Right now there's not much happening though.

 

It got weird because most of the replies are slightly off-topic. But the thoughts from several users are justified and legit due to lack of frequent official news & updates (seems like this is about to change though so that's nice).
 
Then again, you have no obligations. You run a business in the way you have planned, and you’re doing fine (obviously). So it only comes down to a matter of customer ethics, nothing more nothing less.

 

 

We're doing little work on Renoise right now, mainly small clean-ups and bug fixing and have started some other project a while ago too. That we're doing something else doesn't mean that Renoise is dead. I think it will benefit Renoise and Co in the long term. We always have been working on/off Renoise in the past. 

 
If Renoise or Redux is worth the money should be decided by what it is, and not what it could be.

 

This is true in some sense, but from a business / market pow I wouldn’t say ”hell ya, it’s that simple!” Before people decide to buy a software today, they often make sure it’s updated and still maintained. It’s not 1999 anymore when everyone used an old Fasttracker II version for years.
 
Still, you don’t have to worry I think. This is due to the unique (compared to other high quality DAWs) pattern editor and imo the very easy to use yet advanced sample editor. Except from that, there’s nothing extraordinary with Renoise. But for what it is currently, it's good enough. I have a lot of fun with it, although my personal opinions seems to be in line with the part of the user-base that would wish this software to evolve and include some traditional features some day.

 

 

[...] There are also no plans to change this: Renoise is a niche product in a niche market. Trackers never will be THE way of doing music. And honestly, they should not: they make a lot of sense to some, none at all to most. [...]

 

Haha, ok.. Is this the next tagline? Renoise - Not THE way of doing music:lol:
 
By ”tracker” you probably mean the pattern editor feature? Yes, it’s just another tool from the general toolbox of todays digital composers. With the tracker view or the piano roll view alone, respectively, you access a pretty comprehensive view of the arrangement and can do edits on a micro level at a certain part of the project in the timeline. But you can't do so much macro-level editing with neither the tracker or the pianoroll though. Here's where for instance audio tracks and a more advanced arrange clip editor comes in, which currently is lacking imo.
 
There are pros and cons with all the tools, just like a screwdriver alone at a workshop won’t do the job. I’m sure a software called PianoROTFLOL with mainly only a piano roll wouldn’t be enough for many dedicated digital composers either. I haven’t at least yet heard anyone say ”This program is a piano roll, and that’s it… No need for anything else”. :P

 

 

[...] Adding a piano-roll on top won't fix that. [...]
 
 
I disagree. I think additional features would rather make the tracking more sense. At least to people who wants to delve into the tracker styling, with earlier experience only from a more traditional DAW. It could work as a translator, if not anything else. Personally I’m not that fond of piano roll, but certainly audio tracks and a more comprehensive Matrix arranger would be enlightening to newcomers and also interesting for old school guys.
 
Sure, as you mention, to some a tracker (like Renoise) is enough to get the job done. This was also how I worked with music during my first 10 years. To others, as a contrast, Audacity with its record-audio-clips-only feature may be enough for them, by comparison pretty ”niche” that too I would say at a global level.
 
So while every digital composer is unique, I believe some are just unaware of stuff which could make some of their workflow more intuitive. Presumed the music & project is the focus and not a certain tool. DAWs are essentially toolboxes; viewing and editing the same content but with different devices and different entrance angles to more efficiently get the job done depending which particular issue in the project to deal with. Different devices also stimulates creativity and opens up new ways of thinking. Then again, if the tool itself is more important and to ”feel special and undergroundy” than a final product I suppose that’s another deal.
 
Most digital composers are quite aware though and very rarely depend themselves with only one or two tools. Say, with mainly only a tracker view (like Renoise) or with mainly only an audio track view (like Audacity). Advanced users most probably want to take advantage of all the great tools available. They could probably get the job done with a half toolbox, but it wouldn’t probably turn out as complex or it would just take more time to reach the vision in mind.
 
(Sorry, this segment of the post is certainly more "weirdness" to some of you... But not so sure how to express myself).

 

 

[...] Making Renoise open-source also won't fix this: this would simply create a new bunch of other problems.
 
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I do get that many of you here are getting more and more frustrated because "their" THE MISSING feature isn't implemented - after all those years. But we really never will be able to fix that under those circumstances.
 

 

Open source would probably solve a lot of issues from the user-base pow, but yes new problems may or may not arrive. There are pros and cons with everything, like life in general. Moreover, I'm not sure if this is only a swedish expression, but the saying is like "It's foolish to go to the same funeral twice". Which basically means it's not necessary to worry about something that hasn't happened yet. If you want a very slow developing but stable process by yourself only and already making enough money, then that's fine and also something that's fully understandable.
 
But there's middleway-solution to this. For instance set price quotes for features and let the user-base and other volunteers support you as they wish. Upon completion, these features could be bought optionally as extensions from the backstage. This is presumed the features are too advanced to be programmed with the Tools feature of course. This way "tracker-purists" wouldn't have to worry about Renoise "taking the wrong direction". The extensions-model is a modern and nifty approach to software in this day and age. Renoise, being quite cheap to begin with, could especially take advantage of this.
 
Well, just brainstorming here...
 

Redux actually was an idea to fix this problem once for all, by bringing the core of a tracker into "your" other DAW of your choice, so that you can use all the other features you always wanted, but no tracker. 

 
This wasn't meant as an excuse to NOT implement this and that feature into Renoise [...]

 

 

Sure, Redux fixes some dilemmas in this context, just not so intuitively in terms of workflow though (imo). With many Redux instances, the overall view of what's going on requires some splendid human memory unless you have 2-3 screens on your desk full of Redux instances opened (and even that is kind of messy), since the basic overview in the host DAW are limited to program changes and/or piano roll clips from said instances (I understand there's some limits in todays technology though). Not to mention the window-management in general was kinda disappointing, but I made a thread about that last year.
 
My point, and others who have commented here, is that Renoise with integrated traditional DAW extensions (or another DAW with a tracker extension), working directly side by side internally would most likely make the work flow pretty much unbeatable to any other solution today.
 
I still think Renoise Rewire is the best of the options today, but it has some other cons but I won't delve into this now. But yes, Redux is cool for some small urgent tracker-styled stuff in an otherwise traditional setup of an arrangement so it was a welcomed product. Needless to say, I own both products.

 

I do understand though, that the lack of information is causing such threads too:

If it helps to write more "what's currently happening here" blog or forum posts, we will try doing that in future. Right now there's not much happening though.

 

So with all that said, thanks for the heads up & sorry for the long post.

You're a modest, nice and interesting fella'. Best wishes and happy new year!  :walkman:


Edited by Chris Edberg, 25 December 2016 - 20:37.


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Posted 25 December 2016 - 20:42

Bit wig is the new Renoise! Only missing: The tracker view. Let's flood the bitwig forum now with this feature request?

 

Haven't used Bitwig, but yeah that's a kinda interesting idea. The same could be done for any high quality DAW for that matter. If the market demands it, it will arrive sooner or later.


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Posted 27 December 2016 - 20:13

Niche product, please put the program more expensive, the people of renoise will pay for it.



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Posted 28 December 2016 - 12:33

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We're doing little work on Renoise right now, mainly small clean-ups and bug fixing and have started some other project a while ago too. That we're doing something else doesn't mean that Renoise is dead. I think it will benefit Renoise and Co in the long term. We always have been working on/off Renoise in the past. 

 
There are also no plans to change this: Renoise is a niche product in a niche market. Trackers never will be THE way of doing music. And honestly, they should not: they make a lot of sense to some, none at all to most. Adding a piano-roll on top won't fix that. Making Renoise open-source also won't fix this: this would simply create a new bunch of other problems.
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I do get that many of you here are getting more and more frustrated because "their" THE MISSING feature isn't implemented - after all those years. But we really never will be able to fix that under those circumstances.
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This wasn't meant as an excuse to NOT implement this and that feature into Renoise, but we know how much time it takes us to bring new stuff into Renoise, so that was meant as an offer to be more free in the choice of tools that you can !now! use and combine. Hard to say if that plan really worked out at the end. But that brought phrases into Renoise too - which surely makes things more complicated in Renoise itself but also offers a big bunch of even more nerdy tracker alike things again into Renoise again.
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I do understand though, that the lack of information is causing such threads too:
If it helps to write more "what's currently happening here" blog or forum posts, we will try doing that in future. Right now there's not much happening though.

 

 

I really don't get your immense amount of stubbornness here, Taktik. Really seems that nobody can convince you for another perspective.

 

Renoise is not that bad (as you call it), and also could be more than a niche product - If you would sell it differently, by changing the marketing. But if yourself say even, that it is not worth to develop head a head with other DAWs - well, all is lost then. Also a tracker view is not so much limited in comparison to a piano roll. And this is really mostly the only drastic difference, Renoise is already a good DAW with lot of unique features. Really good features.

 

Also that you now tell me, that all my feature requests are "very individual wishes" and you simply could not fulfill all those millions of individual wishes - sorry, but it is not true that it's so many different requests or that those are so individual.

 

I really tried to give you some motivation/inspiration esp. in improving the already existing structures in Renoise. And besides this, of course suggesting obvious things like "side chaining" or obvious missing parameters in dsps. Those kind of requests exist here in the forum for about a decade now. It is repeated over and over again. But it is still only one feature request, in different variants.

 

New users come here to the forum and of course requesting lot of individual stuff or piano rolls at beginning, because they don't know for years, whats going on here and a feature request section really implies that somebody cares about all those requests. On the other hand, most long-time users request the same stuff over and over again. 

 

Ok, thanks for answering at least. Happy New Year for you and your team.


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